to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

@Frege hear hear - completely agree with your post 👍👍

These threads are a magnet to make - he/she just copies and pastes left wing propaganda without entering into any debate or showing any ability to analyse his/her own comments whatsoever.

I always wonder if make is a momentum bot.

Filthy, non-transparent deal with the DUP
Money for N.Ireland in return for support. Which is what happens in every coalition ever.

Nobody voted for a Tory/DUP coalition of horrors
No one votes for a coalition, that is not how it works.

someone's clearly very against the idea of going to university!!
Not at all, just not in favor of the working classes paying for the wealthy middle classes to get better paid jobs.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.

@kootoo123

Jeremy Corbyn was awarded the Gandhi Foundation International Peace Award for 2013.

This yearly prize of cash and a medal, is awarded by a London based organisation, partly founded by a collection of actors, directors, trade unionists, Labour activists and politicians and has nothing to do with the Gandhi family.

The Imternational Gandhi Peace Prize is entirely different and is awarded by the Indian Government.

The latest winner of the prize is their own Indian Space Research Organisation.

In a country where femicide, infanticide, starvation and slavery is an accepted norm in many places, the government has awarded a peace prize to one of its own agencies.

Neither of these is to be confused with Indira Gandhi Prize for Peace, Disarmament and Development, awarded by the Indira Gandhi Foundation.

Money for N.Ireland in return for support.

Fine (as if that were all).

How much?

For what?

Transparency deficit here.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen

Money for N.Ireland in return for support.

How much? 1 billion pounds

For what? for the MLAs in the NI assembly to spend

Transparency deficit here. Where?

No system works as long as people are involved.

Greed, laziness, entitlement and human nature all come into play.

Wherever there's a scheme to support the less able, there will always be people who milk the system and those who fall through the gaps.

No system is fair and any system relying on the goodwill of the taxpayer, will see taxpayers unwilling to pay for those they see as undeserving.

There will be tax dodgers, fraudsters and those who see themselves as deservingeven if they are capable of supporting themselves.

No system works as long as people are involved.

Sapien has risen because we have learned to work together.

Altruism works.

Sapien has risen because we have learned to work together
That's why JC is not doing as well as he could, because communism doesn't work. We need realism and a lot of people can see that his way of doing things would end in catastrophe for all.

Every 'perfect' system has been corrupted somehow - either Communism (George Orwell's Animal Farm is a critique of the USSR) or capitalism.

China, USSR, Eastern Europe, North Korea, Cuba and so on. People are/were prevented from leaving/escaping and almost all Communist regimes have relied on suppression of dissent, imprisonment of political critics and ruthless censoring of media.

'Pure' capitalism throws the weakest to the wall.

'Benevolent' capitalism relies on every taxpayer paying their fair share.

Ask every taxpayer what 'their fair share' is and you'll get a vast difference of opinions.

the centre right is where the vast majority vote. They might be tempted by a moderate Labour leader, but Corbyn will never win their support. Labour need to move to the right again to secure more votes and that won’t happen with Corbyn

I think it comes down to social security. I think that many moderate/centrist identifying voters approve of things like the benefit cap, getting people into work, and the 2 children benefit maximum and they worry that Labour's policies will inadvertently encourage welfare dependency.

I also sense that people think of the Tories as slightly less incompetent than the alternative when it comes to making Brexit deals. The best of a pretty mediocre bunch.

How then do we explain the excess deaths?

Less questions, more answering, make, if you want anyone to listen to you.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs

Ah yes, the supreme declaration of the Marxist ideal. Sounds great, doesn't it ... right up the point when anyone tries to implement it and the realities come crowding in

I'll be the first to put my hands up if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this country will ever elect a government led by a marxist during my lifetime

How then do we explain the excess deaths?

You would have to look at each individual case to see what other factors where involved (old age, ill health, accidental death etc etc). Just because someone was a claimant doesn't mean that is why they died. What if they died under a Labour Government? I bet you would be finding another reason then?????

What happens when the ones with abilities are outnumbered by the needs?!

We're not denying the Tories are cunts.

However, an incompetent Labour leadership with racist, clueless career MPs and a spend, spend, spend policy isn't going to work either.

I work in what looks like a brilliant 'state of the art' hospital.

Owned PFI'd to the hilt by a property management company and built during the last Labour government.

Servicing the repayments comes first. The debt is astronomical.

And was predicted years ago.

Spending other people's money with no thought at all about repaying it only hits patients later on.

The vast majority of the extra deaths were pensioners due to social services funding.

The vast majority of the electorate are on an increasing average age. Less able and willing to pay the higher taxes required to keep their elderly relatives safe and healthy.

We deal with the retired children of very frail pensioners.

These elderly carers have no intention of giving up their inheritance (homes, council tenancies, parental savings), but are incapable of coping with their own health problems as well as their frail parents.

Finding a care home, selling the only home they've known (some have never left home) and paying for quality care will never cross their minds.

The whole system of home ownership, social housing and private tenancies based on the BTL market needs to be rethought.

Totally agree re BTL. A system where houses appreciate faster than money in savings accounts is never going to work. Air BnB and thousands of flats used for short term lets for folk wanting a cheap holiday also skews the market and makes it harder for people to find an affordable house as everyone takes more short breaks using up the housing. The financial incentives and penalties need to be changed.

Forcing councils to sell off social housing and preventing them from building more was one of the worst things to happen to the housing market.

BTL landlords are disgusting.

I wouldn't even want JC to run my stall at a car boot fair.
Plus he enabled labour to let the country down badly on Brexit

Forcing councils to sell off social housing and preventing them from building more was one of the worst things to happen to the housing market.

Well we certainly have found a point of agreement.