to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

Labours demands - pause the roll out of universal credit

So Labour agree with universal credit?

I think it's because he's not saying enough about Brexit. I know why he can't, but I think that many more sensible people would vote for them if JC was offering something better than this bullshit at the moment.

This country is dying because people are so influenced by the daily mail etc and their constant hate and fear

Sigh. Daily Mail blah blah.......

kyBayEve

Bex Bailey raped at Labour party event and told to keep quiet about it by senior Labour party official.
Another reason not bother with Corbyns party.

My student daughter wasn't going to vote Labour in June because so angry about Brexit - but she and all her friends did in the end, after seeing his campaign v. May's arrogant high-handed pathetic effort.

They'd already decided before the tuition fee policy, and I don't think it factored that high for any of them. Was more about the Tories being so fucking atrocious.

I think when your main priority is addressing social inequality it's a tough sell. On the face of it it should be simple, rich people contribute more so poor people can get the help they need. However, most people don't live in those extremes and therefore fall somewhere in the middle.

If you're someone who is doing ok, you dont qualify for state assistance but equally you'd be pretty screwed if you lost your job I think it's a legitimate fear that a - taxing the 'rich' more will mean you because after all you're not poor by the standards of the government and b - if you vote in a government that puts a higher burden on businesses you risk your job, because logic suggests the easier and cheaper it is to do business the more jobs there are available. I'm not saying these statements are true, just that it's a hard sell to convince people otherwise.

It's a very good question.

Given the tories staggering incompetence over Brexit, shit job on the economy, callous indifference towards the weakest in society, you'd think the country would be biting the hand off any alternative, no matter how imperfect.

But somehow the myth that the tories are solid on the economy whereas labour will bankrupt us prevails, despite ample evidence to the contrary and tories self serving use of the 'magic money tree' after the last election.

However, I think it's fundamentally about something else. I think people want to feel like they're on the side of the 'winners'. And deep down they see the tory party as the party for successful people, with labour for the downtrodden - and they don't want to associate with that.

My amateur psychology aside, if Corbyn had taken a stronger position on Brexit, then that would help him. His personal antipathy towards the EU and his reticence on the issue is a problem. The country so desperately needs strong leadership on this to counter the tory fiasco and he is the person best placed to do this. It's a shame and a real opportunity missed.

But post-Blair, the labour party has really struggled to find a purpose that connects with the electorate. I think Corbyn represents a better direction than say the nu-labour-lite Milliband/Burnham types, but he's still problematic and probably too left wing for this country.

But he surprised us in the last election and could do so again.

Because the Left generally is eating itself . In its rush to be Progressive it's too busy doing things like this: morningstaronline.co.uk/a-0a02-Entire-CLP-leadership-quits-amid-claims-of-transphobia#.Wgy0HEqWaUn

Labour needs a leader that can actively quell division without this silencing bully-boys, Momentum . JC actively causes division and many traditional Labour voters are disgusted with him.

Because he’s a Marxist and as much as I hate the Tories, that doesn’t mean an EU hating (but lying about it) communist is going to improve things.

I have to say, this is the most important debate that I have ever participated in in nearly 40 years as the member of parliament for Birkenhead. And I have never more felt the inadequacies of the language that I have to try and tell the House what horror is happening now to a growing number of my constituents under what is called this welfare reform programme.

• Frank Field

Kootoo 123. I never read the Daily Fail and JC himself said that Marx is his hero. He is a self confessed commi he makes no secret about it. His taxation policies are very Marxist.
‘Choosing which land mine to step on’ sums it up perfectly.
I personally couldn’t vote for either party now. Where did the Monster Raving Loony party from the 80’s go? I’d give them a shot now given the opportunity.

thecolonel - exactly right

JC used to be anti-EU now he's trying trying to wreck Brexit and force us to stay in.

JC wants working people to pay for the wealthy middle classes to have 3 gap years at university.
JC thinks taxing a few wealthy people can produce hundreds of billions in revenue.
JC seems to stand up for the terrorists and never the good guys.
JC wants to nationalize everything and take us back to the 1970's.
JC would send our deficit sky rocketing just to buy votes.
JC would make us all look like idiots for electing him, just like Trump has done for America.
JC already seems to be corrupted by power.

On the other side, May does seem to be doing the best she can considering she didn't get a majority and is taking us out of the EU as voted for in the referendum.

On the other side, May does seem to be doing the best she can

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Excuse me, I might die laughing.

If this is the 'best she can' then we should be very afraid.

Because current Labour policies are a rehash of the ones that crippled Labour in the 80s.
Old enough to remember the photo of him shaking Gerry Adams’ hand Just after Brighton bomb. I hated Thatcher but that was revolting.

considering she didn't get a majority

Filthy, non-transparent deal with the DUP.

Nobody voted for a Tory/DUP coalition of horrors.

I haven't really got an opinion on either of them as politicians, I don't really know enough about either of them. I'm not a fan of either but if pushed would come down on the side of May.

She ran absolutely the worst campaign in history, barely even acknowledged there was an election on, one she called needlessly.

He ran what was widely acknowledged to be the most successful campaign ever, he did seem to have an awful lot of populist giveaways in his manifesto.

She won more votes than he did. There has to be a good reason for that? I voted Tory because I felt that with all the upheval and uncertainty, a change of government at that time would have made the whole thing worse. Maybe others did the same and that's why she won.

Who or what is McRuin @RockyBayEve?

I don't think yopu're helping your cause Make. It just pisses people off when one person posts over and over again like they can "win" a discussion by just posting more than everyone else. The OP was asking why JC wasn't more popular, not wanting a list of reasons why one poster thinks he's great.

JC wants working people to pay for the wealthy middle classes to have 3 gap years at university.

3 gap years? Wow @Julie8008 someone's clearly very against the idea of going to university!!

Tens of thousands...no....HUNDREDS of thousands of deaths here in Britain.

British sick and poor dying because of Tory ideological cuts.

Thousands and thousands and thousands....

Not me saying it but the BMJ:

bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

Haven't you posted that upthread makeourfuture

Why is Corbyn supposedly so opposed to the EU?

make - this isn't an anti-tory thread. Its a thread wondering why a half wit commie is unpopular.

JC used to be anti-EU now he's trying trying to wreck Brexit and force us to stay in.

If only this were true

Re the OP- it's a good question. To answer just from my own perspective- I think of myself as centre-left and I'd happily vote for whichever party I think has the best chance of succeeding in doing the things I think are important-

• improving public services
• reducing social inequality
• increasing equality of opportunity
• strong economy
• environment
• long-term planning re changing labour market
• morally decent approach to immigrants and refugees

I'd happily pay more tax if I felt there were chance of delivering these objectives.

I wouldn't vote for Corbyn as I don't think his policies have a hope in hell of achieving any of these things. Rather, I think they are either based on an outdated and discredited economics, or designed purely as an easy vote winner (eg tuition fees being prioritised over welfare reform). He will put the left back 50 years

I also find his inability to deal with the anti-semitism and misogyny in his party completely despicable.