to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

And obviously people do as May is still doing ok in the polls - despite everything. So no answer to the OPs question, but an interesting range of views in response to it

boring sensible economics

Well that says more about your understanding of economics than anything else, most of them he has gone back on, the majority were just laughed at, and before you try and bring up the fully costed supported by economics argument I think you need to see who is actually on the list of "economics" and whilst you do, also understand that there are also many economists who support Tory policy.

AIBU strikes again

I'm obviously completely stupid, leftie, snowflake, ignorant, what else rubbish at everything, brain washed....

Seriously I like a discussion, but name calling and insults is known as par for the course on AIBU... so what did I expect. Sensible discussion.

If that is directed at me @whoooops then no such comment was made re snowflake or any other meme, but if your serious about standing then you will need to back up your economic claims instead of insinuating that those that are against them only read punchy headlines. Even the dire clickbait rag that is the independant ripped apart Corbyns economics and buzz feed had a dig as well.

It may not feel "British" to have a right wing government, the fact the country has been under rule far longer under a centre right government than any other, kind of invalidates your feeling.

Disregarding the fact economics are in no way an exact science, the costed manifesto wasn't really costed because of variables that was just brushed under the carpet and the "economists" that put their name to it included some very tenuous economists and guardian journalists, could you expand on what your nerding out dug up that us un enlightened plebs missed?

justanother I'm obviously just a pleb. Go for it.

It's this whole attitude that if anyone has a different opinion ... then the insults insinuations of being thick follow... clap hands thanks for following form.

Ps it's taken me 25 years to get to my current view. I have very good understanding of economics, having submitted papers and worked on many projects looking at economic development and technology growth, sovereign skills etc in the U.K. In particular within the sentinel community.

But I don't agree with you - mud sling - ouch

He threw his key support under the bus over student loans. His model for government is Venezuala. His cabinet is filled with idiots and bigots. If Theresa May was a half decent leader Labour would be buried.

the costed manifesto wasn't really costed

You got that right. Labour MPs are still bleating about their 'costed' manifesto the same way Trump bleats about Mexicans paying for the wall.

Both are about as equally likely to be true.

That's not an answer, nor did I call you a pleb, the appeal to emotion is a juvinile tactic.

You wanted serious discussion. I was asking with your extensive economic background what did the those of us who thought the economic policy was very wishful thinking that had a lot of caveats included was missing?

We can ignore the write off of Tuition fee debt if you wish, considering he himself has backed down from that one as it has been proven to cost way more than he initially "costed"

I worked for Brown and for Cameron in a round about way. I preferred working with Cameron to Brown to be honest. Thankfully I left before May came to power - she had a bad rep at the time, and her rep now is no better. Stop calling people silly for being concerned about May, their guts are right - she is rotten to the core.

The fact you supposedly worked for Brown and Cameron and still think Corbyn's economic policy is robust is frankly astounding, I'm not calling you a liar, but I admit it's hilarious at a surface level.

No one has mentioned being silly for being concerned at May so I'm not sure why that comment was needed.

I am just asking what insights you can back up on Corbyn's economic policy that those of us who didn't print them out and nerd over them with highlighters missed?

I have given you an out regarding tuition fees, and I'm not going to point out the hypocrisy of his economic policy being more in depth than "catchy headlines" considering his populist approach, you're a bonified professional at government level.

So typical of AIBU I am so obviously a pretender, what a wonderful attention seeking lie. Seriously rolls eyes and gives up. Just do what you want, say what you want, and ignore anyone who has a different world view. Go for it. It will make you so happy.

On a serious note for anyone who is less invested in the pretence shaming rubbish. I spent 15 years walking those corridors, not allowed to have a political opinion. And I loved it, I loved the games. It was great fun. But I'm AIBU I've tried to explain the situation, I've tried to give my opinion based on my experiences - and I'm called a liar. A fake, a charlatan, snowflake, liberal, non Tory loving individual.

Cheers

You can walk away and pretend to be the victim if you wish, no one is stopping you.

I just wanted to pick up on your appeal to authority, I have not dismissed anyone with a different opinion to me, I am a dirty centrist neo liberal, I simply asked a question that you seem keen to avoid and prefer to just go on the defensive, you haven't told me that I should get my views outside of the daily mail so you have some modicum of intelligence.

You apparently want to stand as an elected official, or at least that's what you alluded to, it's a simple question, especially considering your 25 years of economic background

To the troll I am not walking away. I hit a nerve. Bring it

There are no heroes.

All politicians are human, corrupted by power and compromise along the way up the greasy pole, all have faults and foibles and all are prepared to accept shitty behaviour from colleagues if they're all that are available.

Blind hero worship is wrong.
Uncritical acceptance is wrong.

We've got shit politicians and just because one is bad, doesn't mean the alternative is any better.

We need to see critical thinkers, career economists, brilliant, legislative lawyers and social philosophers in charge and producing laws in a collaborative way that we respond to in surgeries, referenda and the like.

Party politics is so much dogma. The labyrinthine rules and confusing legislative bodies within the political parties put people off becoming more active and it becomes a case of 'them' politicians and 'us' people going in two different directions.

The hero worship of Corbyn is so similar to that of Thatcher it's creepy.

The last throw of the dice is to call troll, what was you saying about different opinions?

All I asked was an insight into Corbyn's costed policy that those of us who apparently didn't look beyond the "catchy headlines" missed.

I haven't come onto the thread with some appeal to authority.

You are a troll, you have ignored every sensible comment passed. You choose to be aggressive. I'm sorry for you. Other posters should expose every last minute detail of their life for you to believe them. And you are aggressive in your turn of they don't believe the same as you / so therefore they must be the devil incarnate. That's your choice. No one else's.

We were having a sensible conversation, and you didn't like it. Some of us believe that we are all one human, all one race, all under the same flag, we are one, we are one peoples, one humanity. We are human.

Because the main stream media is owned by six people who are non-dom, non-tax payers who are right wing and tell Mrs May what to do and the electorate who to vote for. The BBC do this too, run by a member of a very very wealthy old banking family, and more recently a former banker with quite a bit of influence to keep certain stories off the news. Talking to a frail seventy year old woman the other day who is still working as she is so skint and she thinks the NHS is on its knees because of foreigners! I have recently had quite a lot of dealings with the NHS and it is mostly held together by doctors and nurses who happen to be foreigners. Very kind they were too. New Labour were Tory Lite in my opinion, in the rest of Europe Corbyn would be considered a centrist. People just believe what the media tell them although the advent of the internet is starting to change that, but not quickly enough to save the disaster Mrs May is causing.

I have not ignored any sensible comment passed, I'm asking you to back up your appeal to authority, there is a massive difference and the whole "Devils incarnate" is just hyperbole.

I asked a simple question, you have skipped around and ignored the answer, as for "being aggressive" you're just desperately trying to play the victim that isn't there.

It's a simple expand and back up your comment question, there was no malice involved, it's called sensible discussion...

I am no bloody victim you troll. You are serious out of order.

Argh memo to self, there will be people who try to be seriously intelligent but say nothing. But they troll. You don't want to listen to anything anyone else has to say, you have one fixed opinion. And anyone else's life experiences are nothing to you. You can not tolerate the opinions of others, you troll, you abuse, you feel superior by putting others down. Feel good about that - troll. Because I know that nothing I say will make you view life any different.

You won't let people discuss , you bully your way in. And then play the everyone else is playing victim and therefore your way is the only way. No discussion just your way, your viewpoint.

No one else is allowed to think differently - or only if they can follow your prescribed 39 point detailed explanation points.

Humanity is screwed

Methinks whooooops doth protest too much.

You liked the economic policies, but when questioned about how the maths adds up, you not only go on the defensive, you start finding insults where none were thrown.

Nice derailing, there.