to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

Capitalism now is not what it was 60 years ago.

In America after the war, there was a massive rate of economic growth that's attributed to Capitalism, but it was nothing like the capitalism we have. For a start, the highest tax bracket? Over 90%.

The system we have now cannot work. Will never work. The path that was established by Reagan and Thatcher is unsustainable. The growing gulf between average worker salaries and CEOs, large quantities of money being accumulated and invested off shore, gradual deterioration of workers rights, increased privatisation, zero hours contacts, spending millions on refusing disability benefits to people despite a 0.5% fraud rate (and to a company that evades corporation tax, no less...), food banks and charities having to step in to prevent serious illness and death.

Things are fucked. What exactly is it about Corbyn's policies from his (costed and supported by economists) manifesto is so terrifying exactly?

Taxation is not theft. What's the alternative? An American style healthcare system (which costs the government a higher percentage of their GDP than ours does, by the way), letting poor and disabled people starve to death? I didn't have a comfortable upbringing but we were fortunate enough not to have to rely on benefits and have a house and enough to eat. I was fortunate enough to go to a grammar school and to a good university. Not everyone has the same opportunities as I did, and I have no issues contributing into a system that provides for me and for others. Anyone can be disabled tomorrow, anyone can lose everything. It's not extreme to want to live on a society that takes care of the most vulnerable especially when you consider the alternatives (do you think Americans pay out less in tax, private healthcare, pensions and non-subsidised colleges than we pay in NI and taxes? Have you actually seen how much Americans are taxed compared to what they get for their money?)

You only have to look at the countries with the highest quality of life, happiness and poverty indicators - Scandinavian countries with high rates of taxation and superior public services. It's not a secret. The information is freely available.

Whatever your personal feelings on Corbyn, right now he is the only alternative to a regime that's destroying people. The NHS saved my life and my children's lives last year. I wonder what a 3 month nicu stay would have cost me even if I were an insured American - I'd be homeless and most likely bankrupt by now, not to mention back at work before he was even discharged. The system we have is falling apart and needs to be overhauled radically while there's anything to salvage.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies)

Because too many people have swallowed the negative media representation even though they approve of the policies.
And some are just absolute fools who inanely bleat 'communist' and 'terrorist'

What exactly is it about Corbyn's policies from his (costed and supported by economists) manifesto is so terrifying exactly?

Off the top of my head-

• re-nationalisation
• failure to address welfare adequately (Tories' destruction of the benefit system should surely be an absolute priority, not fannying about with tuition fees)
• failure to make a positive case for the EU in the referendum campaign, despite pretending to be for remain
• failure to put forward any coherent policies on Brexit now

I find that he is strong on feel-good rhetoric but I can't see much at all about him and JM that inspires any confidence that he could do better than the current shower.

The anti-semitism/misogyny/etc in Labour may not seem important to you but it is losing the party votes- he has to deal with it more strongly. The fact that some of the Tories are also racist misogynists is not the point- he's trying to win the votes of people with a social conscience so he needs to be better.

The trouble the Corbyn cultists have is that some of us have been alive long enough to remember the Conservative and Labour governments before the last Conservative and Labour governments.

Conservative (1970-1974), Labour (1974-1977), the Lib-Lab Pact (1977-1979), Conservative (1979 - 1997), Labour (1997 - 2010) and now.

We've been there when the UK voted to join the EU and we've been around long enough to see that vote reversed.

Devaluation, inflation, deflation and minority governments. Seen it all.

Our economy is at the mercy of global forces and both Tories and Labour have sold off quite precious resources to foreign buyers.

We pay the French and Chinese for power for example.

Successive governments, Tory and Labour, have left us at the mercy of foreign investors and we now control nothing - manufacturing, clothing, food production all out of our control.

Canny foreign companies have been allowed to dodge taxes and take jobs out of the UK.

Any politician who says we can remedy that is lying. UKIP included.

To buy back everything would bankrupt the country.

You know what sells? Unity.

A well run party, united behind a strong leader, with credible economic plans, who listens to criticism, who responds with well argued replies and accepts fault and changes plans if the criticism is valid.

The rag tag and bobtail collection of special interest groups which the leadership is trying to keep a lid on with bullying, coercion and harassment is not a Labour Party I can support or ever join again.

If Momentum is such hot shit, break away, form your own party and leave the genuine Labour Party the fuck alone.

When it turned out that politicians are all lying, self serving, craven, short term-ist, complacent, incompetent, in thrall to the USA and the Saudis and total bullshitters to boot, I stopped believing

You're learning

I'm always reminded of our local MP, who I knew well before she was even a councillor and who seemed a genuinely decent woman who simply wanted to make a difference. Then I watched as she climbed the political greasy pole, shedding principles and even common humanity along the way, becoming a hollow shell in pursuit of the power which she'd believed would allow her to really make that difference

We don't all organise our lives because of what politicians do, but in spite of what they do

Kursk you will still need a police force though to stop ruffians stealing your turnips. Do you object to paying for that?

Who would steal turnips? I'd pay someone to take them away. And their nasty cousins swedes and parsnips!

Potatoes then.

- re-nationalisation
What is wrong with nationalisation? We have no problem with some of our railways being run by German and Dutch nationised systems. Or some of our electricity being provided by a French nationised system.

Because too many people have swallowed the negative media representation even though they approve of the policies.

Errrrr no.

Many of us knew about Corbyn and what he did/thought way before some drank the kool aid and jumped on the bandwagon.

I and many others will not return to the party until he goes.

HTH

Cant believe Tory supporter are still going out about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser after their party got into bed with the DUP.

Basicly some people don't like him because he would go after the tax avoiders instead of the sick and disabled,m

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Where we have moved to there is pretty much no police force anyway! (Police fire and ambulance are all at least 6 hrs away.

Security is also our responsibility.

What is wrong with nationalisation? We have no problem with some of our railways being run by German and Dutch nationised systems. Or some of our electricity being provided by a French nationised system.

Nothing in theory, Corbyn needs a hard brexit so he implement it though...

But he absolutely wouldn't go after the "tax avoiders". If there were an easy way to stop the super rich and corporations using mechanisms to reduce or remove tax liability, every chancellor would have done it. We don't control the Cayman Islands or Panama. And if we make it too punitive, they won't trade here.

No, Corbyn and mcdonnell will go after those who already see 45% or 62% of their income disappear. They'll go for the soft targets.

And I do have first hand knowledge of the crap disabled people are having to go through. Were I work is a disability charity and just yesterday we had a person who was a wheelchair user in who had lost her job because her PIP had been refused and she had lost her mobility car so could not get to work. And we see that ALOT.
Also the women the day before who had severe mental health issues yet was judges as being fine in her appointment because she wore lipstick.

Cant believe Tory supporter are still going out about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser

Sorry I didn't realise that if you don't support Corbyn you are automatically a Tory supporter!

Basicly some people don't like him because he would go after the tax avoiders instead of the sick and disabled

I am sick and disabled. I am not a tax avoider. I don't support him. Please don't speak for me.

No I speak for the 60+ Disabled people I see at work every week who I have to hand foodbags too.

Er I said Tory supporters peddle out line the line he is a terrorist sympathers. Where did I say that if yo did not like Corbyn you had to be a Tory

There would be even less support for disabled people if Corbyn and mcdonnell cost the country a brain drain. Lose the high earners and you lose any ability to raise money to help those who need it!

Utter bollocks.

We have one of the lowest corporation tax rates in Europe, let alone the loopholes. Where are they going to go? Total scaremongering. These companies benefit from public services to educate their workforce and keep them healthy, its their responsibility to pay tax and governments should be making sure they do according to the same rules as everyone else. You think starbucks and topshop will pull out of the UK? It's ridiculous.

Utterly offensive and unfounded to disabled people to say that they'd be worse off under a government that isn't hell bent on persecuting them. Guess it's easy to hypothesise when it doesn't affect you.

Did anyone see Jeremy Corbyn on Gogglebox? (Apologies if this has already been said; have committed the sin of NRTFT).

He was paralysed with fear of saying anything . He didn't comment on any of the programmes, just sat there, apart from asking his companion if they wanted another cup of tea. He couldn't be seen to make any kind of comment at all. He looked at the same time calculating and a coward. Or possibly like his Momentum puppet masters had a gun in his back telling him not to dare speak and lose them any support.

Utterly offensive and unfounded to disabled people to say that they'd be worse off under a government that isn't hell bent on persecuting them. Guess it's easy to hypothesise when it doesn't affect you.

I am sick and I am disabled. I don't want Corbyn. I know many others in the same position that don't either. It doesn't mean we want a Tory government either.

Where are they going to go? Total scaremongering.

Oh to be this naive ...

Because people are less sympathetic to antisemitism than he realises? Don't think he is antisemitic per se but he doesn't realise how many of the hard left is and he tolerates it.
Because you can listen to all sides of a conflict without calling terrorists beacons of social justice.
Because he's really a brexiteer and was never really behind the EU1

If Labour had a credible leader they should be crushing the tories.

If Labour had a credible leader they should be crushing the tories.

This with bells on!