to wonder why Corbyn isn't more popular considering the battering Theresa May/the Tories is getting?

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The Tories/Theresa May have been getting an absolute kicking in the press recently (rightly deserved) and every day there seems to be a new controversy. May seems completely inefficient and doesn't seem to know whether she is coming or going (literally).

However, I am surprised that Corbyn/Labour is not polling higher. On all the polls I have looked at his rating seems to be either equal to, very slightly above or very slightly below May. He should be well out in front at this point.

I am not a Corbyn/Labour fan (although agree with a lot of their policies) but I am wondering why is he not polling better?

Total scaremongering. These companies benefit from public services to educate their workforce and keep them healthy, its their responsibility to pay tax and governments should be making sure they do according to the same rules as everyone else. You think starbucks and topshop will pull out of the UK? It's ridiculous.

Absolutely.

Gosh Tammy it must be nice up there in fluffy cotton candy lalaland. You really don't think corporations would leave if it was unprofitable for them to be here??? You really don't think some high earners would go elsewhere, esp once you're partway down the slippery slope? And we don't have so many of them that we can lose that many before there's a gap and taxes go up again to fill it.

It's really not a difficult concept. Labour increases benefits for disabled people. It also does everything else Corbyn wants to do and the economy utterly tanks. We are left half nationalised, debt everywhere, no entrepreneurs investing here etc.

What do you think happens when he gets booted out and the next government gets in? No growth, nobody wanting to invest here, high earners training and leaving... you must be mad if you can't see that this would leave those who need support in a worse position.

I think the current position is shit. I have said that upthread. But make no bones about it, Corbyn would be worse in the long run. That's why I think we need someone different altogether to either the tories or the Labour Party.

Cant believe Tory supporter are still going out about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser after their party got into bed with the DUP

Not liking Corbyn means you’re a Tory voter does it? Actual. Fucking. Lol.

I’m working class and from a town up North that’s never really recovered from what Thatcher did to the pits in the Eighties. I’m exactly the sort of person that should be voting Labour and so are many of my friends (mainly public sector workers) but they’re the same as me. They won’t ever, ever vote for Labour while Corbyn (or rather Momentum) is at the head of the Party.

The cycles of British politics

I think believing that every chancellor would try to tackle tax avoidance by the super rich and huge corporations is fluffy cotton candy lalaland.

Well I disagree there. Chancellors would all love more money to spend. And it would give the party massive polling points. They all know it can't be done.

Maybe chancellors should try harder then, maybe by employing more staff to tackle tax avoidance than they do to tackle benefit fraud.

But how do you propose they do it?

Do you say that non doms can't own property or trade in the U.K.? Even if that were legal, what do you do with the ones who are here already? How would you plug the gap in the economy when the commercial and resi property markets crash? How would you encourage investment here when other countries haven't done the same?

Do you propose that we make new tax laws for offshore countries that aren't Britain? How do you propose to enforce them?

Are you saying it's ok that some people commit benefit fraud and we shouldn't be looking into it?!

Maybe chancellors should try harder then, maybe by employing more staff to tackle tax avoidance

Do you actually realise just how much has been achieved in the last few years re anti tax evasion? We've got several new anti avoidance laws. Some new taxes have been introduced such as ATED. Real efforts are now in force to get the tax from the huge number of people avoiding tax by use of offshore trust/loan schemes. We're definitely making progress.

Just a shame that so little was done in Gordon Brown's 13 years as he watched tax evasion grow under his watch and did beggar all about it. Not only that, but he beggared up the tax authorities with his botched mergers, centralisation and mass redundancies of highly experienced tax inspectors.

No I am not saying it is ok to commit benefit fraud.

think believing that every chancellor would try to tackle tax avoidance by the super rich and huge corporations is fluffy cotton candy lalaland.

Its a global issue though, and it is lalaland to suggest it's scaremongering to say that companies will just move headquarters etc if they feel as though they can get a better deal elsewhere.

the problem is that it's very difficult to achieve much without tipping the balance too far. Look at the effect on the London property market when the tax changes came in for overseas owners. Now you might say great - but these aren't the kind of properties that are going to solve the housing crisis. They are the kind that will stagnate the market at that end, make London less attractive as an investment, which has knock on effects, and which will reduce the SDLT flowing into the treasury coffers. It's just one example but shows what a massive minefield it is.

As I said, if it were easy, they'd all be at it. Problem is, it's a system that's sprung up over years and you can't really dismantle it that successfully. The current shower of idiots are actually trying but they can't just put an end to it.

Really the answer should be for the big bosses and the super rich to give a shit about anyone else and to be happy to contribute. But it'll be an icy cold day in hell when that happens!!

he looked at the same time calculating and a coward

This sums up very well how Corbyn comes across to me and why I would never vote for him.

I voted labour but never again.
Let’s put aside that’s their party is rife with anti-semitism (which is bloody disgusting btw)
But: Naz shah & Dianne Abbot
Let’s not forget the tweet that Naz shah ‘accidentally’ both liked & shared that went something like ‘white rape victims of Rotherham need to keep their mouths shut for the good of diversity’- would be more believable that it was an accident had she not been condemning anyone who dared to speak out about similar cases.
Dianne Abbot- for her racism, her comments that black women love their children more & white people are divisive.

But what’s the most appalling thing about these 2 is Corbyn’s refusal to do anything about them. I can’t help but wonder if he hates white women?

he looked at the same time calculating and a coward

This sums up very well how Corbyn comes across to me and why I would never vote for him.

Really? Over a TV show?

Jeremy is not loquacious, it's true. He isn't as good as Cameron at PMQ's. His teeth are a bit wonky too.

Is it that you just feel someone like Rees-Mogg, with the proper accent, and a nice Seville Road suit, looks and sounds the part?

Seville Road suits. Handmade in Bristol

Hopefully because the population recognise Corbyn as a brexiteer who is hoping to use brexit as a catalyst to pull off a socialist revolution. No thanks.

No make I didn't watch the show. That is how he always comes across to me.

I would like someone who I feel is a leader who listens to people (something I feel you too don't do, incidentally) and who I can trust to some extent. Even someone openly nasty is better than someone who comes across as calculating and cowardly. He comes across as self serving and insincere and I expect if I met him I would not like him

Is it that you just feel someone like Rees-Mogg, with the proper accent, and a nice Seville Road suit, looks and sounds the part?

I think a lot of it is that he was paraded as being something different, not a career politician, someone who had conviction and stood by his principals, someone who wasn't interested in voicing populist pie in the sky policies just for the vote...

Mogg has nothing to do with it

Seville Road suits. Handmade in Bristol

Wherever that place is they get their fancy suits from. Tory bankers and playboys.

Here is Jeremy wearing a simple, well-worn jumper. Functional. Looks warm. This is not flashy PR. Just a person with a cup of tea discussing how Britain can be made whole again:

makeourfuture

Sorry I didn't realise that to be a banker or a play boy etc you have to be a Tory. Talk about blinkered.

Makeourfuture Oh, well that changes everything. Jeremy must be one of us. I wear well-worn jumpers too!

There is a huge TM bashing campaign going on yet the figures speak for themselves. I suspect there is a lot of support for TM who is hardly at fault if some of her ministers let her down. Corbyn has the same problems : two sex pest creepy MPs and the suicide of a Labour MP who was thrown to the wolves without explanation. So much for the caring party. Corbyn is also a known sympathiser of terrorist regimes and a worm-turning Eurosceptic. He caved in over the EU when he should have been campaigning to leave. Bad leadership and no convictions. People remember how Labour can bring the country to it's knees. Blair and Brown still live on in memory and Corbyn the Marxist, with the backing of the aggressive hard-left Momentum is likely to do even more damage. No thanks. I voted Labour most of my life. I am now a Conservative. My children have a better, brighter future under them.