To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

Ta1kin you have actually just said everything I wanted to say.

Before the vote I contacted the remain campaign several times to ask what they were going to do to explain things in a non London, non rich, non globetrotting way.

There are plenty of poor people in London and indeed the south. It is a leaver fallacy that the streets of London are paved with gold.

I honestly think the majority of people didn't have much of a clue either way what they were voting for.

Well given that remainers were largely more educated I'm going to suggest that they figured leaving the worlds most biggest and most prosperous economic trading block probably wasn't a wise decision.

Before the vote I contacted the remain campaign several times to ask what they were going to do to explain things in a non London, non rich, non globetrotting way.
They did not have the courtesy to reply to me, let alone engage.
Their arrogance was awful.

So you called up the campaign, several times, and asked that they explain to you their strategy. And when they didn't give you a briefing...

There are a few benefits, obviously.

The issue is that for most people they will be comfortably outweighed by the costs arising from leaving the trading bloc.

Benefits of Brexit

Lots of jobs in the NHS become available as lots of doctors and Nurses leave - already happening in our local NHS.

Longer ques for the NHS as there are less doctors and nurses

All the old bastards who voted for this won’t have anyone to wipe there arses

The loss of and need to negotiate all the existing trade deals that also revert to wto rules when we leave 62 countieries so no cheap coffee tea bananas or tech.

Loss of the money in our unis as they no longer can work with eu institutions and the brain drain that follows to.

This has to be the biggest cluster fuck for a generation. But it’s okay as we will get a good deal from the EU after sticking two fingers up to them.

makeourfuture
I contacted them with my other work hat on so they blerdy well should have replied.
But they did not even send a "thank you for your interest" email.

ghost
I contacted the remain camp because I was concerned that important rural issues were being ignored.
As I travelled around rich parts of Hampshire the disconnect with London was tangible.
But as I say, they did not even acknowledge my interest.
Many of the Leavers I work with are not poor.
Many are bosses who do not like being constrained by the EU.

I got a good politics degree with a large eu element - gah- and I didn't really understand the issues.

Still 49% of us understood enough that we didn't want to throw our hat in with people like farage, ukip, gove and Johnson, we didn't want meaningless slogans, racist posters and lies. It really wasn't that difficult.

Remain campaign may have been crap, but again the leave campaign and those who still defend brexitting are so much worse.

Quite honestly the remaines were very complacent about stating their case.

Indeed so, but Cameron could hardly say "Don't blame the EU, it's us who have got you in the shit". The Remain campaign, probably also due to Cameron's languid complacency, was sorely in need of a figurehead to champion it - a Remain Farage or Johnson.

Talkin

I have no ideas what point you are trying to make other than somebody failed to return your call so you voted for something knowing it would be detrimental to you and the country.

But of you are fucked either way Ghost why not drag everyone who fucked you over down with you? Why let those who stand in your shoulders scramble to the top while you wallow on a nmw, zero hour contract with your dcs at a failing school, a chronic health condition the NHS can't afford to give you an appointment to discuss let alone a treatment plan to effectively manage your pain, in a shit hole mid terrace with mushroom growing out of your kids bedroom walls and a 20 gang eastern European ndn who leave rubbish and rats and maggots crawling across your outside space?

Because trust me. For some people brexit means nothing because it can't fucking get any worse. And a chance to vote for change is a chance of change.

And that's where the remain campaign went wrong. They forgot that a lot of the country, a lot of areas and a fuckton of people didn't have anything to loose. They didn't vote to save themselves. They voted to shaft everyone who shafted them. And love or loathe UKIP and the BNP and Britain First they speak to the absolute 'dregs' of society and give them a bit of hope. They allow them to blame 'others' l. The blacks and the Muslims and the Forriners. Because the real truth is it's white, upper class supremacists that fuck the working classes over. And we can't send them home can we? The only thing now is that the working class can't support the super rich anymore so they have started squeezing the middle class. Who then blame the working class for not wanting to do the zero hour nmw contracts because you are better off in hb to keep the mushroom infested ceiling over your kids heads.

And I voted remain btw. But am not arrogant or ignorant enough to not understand why people voted leave.

Nigel Farage himself said that the text on the side of the bus wasn't true.

Not sure if this has been mentioned. Gove today " after Brexit, we will have an independent organisation to champion and protect the environment"

Wasn't that what Natural England, the Environment Agency and Historic England were doing before your Govt and the previous Govt shat on them?

That deal that David Cameron agreed with Donald Tusk before the referendum (the one that was going to make remaining in the EU more appealing to Brexiteers) is still on a table somewhere. I'm just saying this in case the government finds some sense and repeals the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Act.

Frouby the problems you speak of from education to housing to health are the responsibility of consecutive British governments not the EU.

We have had 40 years of neo liberalism, an economic system that will always breed inequality. After Brexit it is going nowhere and things can always get worse. Brexit was a misguided protest vote.

My view is that people were so sick of things never changing or getting any better that many people thought “fuck it I’ll vote to leave and see if something happens.” I didn’t vote, was too busy with a sick child but if I did I probably would have voted leave. Only because nothing is happening now while we are in and if there was a change then maybe something will and things can’t really get much worse for those at the bottom so I assume they voted that way too. Honestly though, I barely understand any of this at all.

Ghost
I still voted for, and tried to persuade people to vote, Remain
but I did not give the "campaign" any money
and when they sent me a begging email after the vote "to keep up the work"
I told them exactly where they could stick it
oddly I did not get a reply to that email either ;-)

my MP on the other hand sent me a personal letter of thanks after a Facebook post I wrote
which I thought was really rather cool

Because the real truth is it's white, upper class supremacists that fuck the working classes over.
So why did they follow Farage so enthusiastically, and not someone from a solid working class background?

So why did they follow Farage so enthusiastically, and not someone from a solid working class background?
Like who ?

Farridge has the populist "pint and a fag" look off to a tee.

Labour were screwed because Corbyn has always been anti EU

Libdems were screwed because Clegg had become toxic

the remain campaign were shit at finding a figurehead from outside London - because they never thought outside London
through work I hear a fair bit of relevant gossip, they did not step outside the North circular, let alone the M25

Blue Passports. British people serving at Costa and cleaning toilets. No more healthy young immigrants contributing to the NHS and not using it. A closer relationship with President Trump. The ending of democracy on 23/6/16.

Cannot wait.....to emigrate.

Only because nothing is happening now while we are in

what does this even mean?

I already have a blue passport.
It has an eagle on the front.
It does not offer me much comfort right now.
I'm rather keen on my purple one.

Farridge has the populist "pint and a fag" look off to a tee.

That's wonderful but it dosen't make him a statesman does it? Other prominent leavers included Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg. How these people speak for those outside the "London bubble" I'll never know.

Like who ?

Indeed, there is no one. Someone like Denis Skinner. Someone who has been consistently against the EEC/EU but also worked hard tirelessly for his constituents. His problem is that he is probably too old now, and increasingly IMO out of touch with how younger people in the former mining and heavy industry areas think and behave.

This thread is great entertainment.

Apparently after 29/3/19 we will still be ruled by our EU overlords, will be forced to work longer hours, will have to lose weight , we will be forced to eat chlorine and it will be like the blitz. All as punishment for having the temerity to try and escape the omnibenevolent EU.

Oh and did someone mention your cars wont start the next day? Is there any remainer not from Russia posting?