To ask for tangible benefits of Brexit?

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Some politicians are saying that we're all brexiteers now.

But I can't actually think of any tangible benefits of Brexit, and I think as a brexiteer, I should be able to list at least 3.

So how is Brexit going to make our lives better?

Because Farridge can down a pint
without looking an arse
He can tuck a fag behind his ear while scoffing a bacon sarnie
without looking an arse
He looks comfortable in smeggy cafes
unlike all of the others

its all a sham of course
but the newspapers lap it up
(see up thread)

Labour were screwed because Corbyn has always been anti EU

Majority of Labour supporters voted remain.

Exactly Ghost. The fault of the British government. So why vote the way they wanted us to? Why prop them up anymore? And whatever else it achieved it got rid of Cameron didn't it? It weakened the Tory government in subsequent months. It shook the powers that be to their boots. It's probably going to fuck a lot of financial institutions up. The same ones that caused the 2010 recession.

When you have no decent home, no job or even worse a nmw job on a zero hours contract, health conditions, elderly family with health conditions, no schools with English as a first language you can get your kids into and all are in special measures, no gp you can access, no nhs dentist, a fuck ton of debt and bailiffs knocking on every night the absolute last thing you give a shiny shite about is whether your 'protest' vote is misguided.

It's a protest vote. It's not meant to make things better. It's meant to say fuck you.

But tbh here in the little town I live in things are improving. The steel industry is hiring again. Construction is getting better rates as eu immigrants go elsewhere. Schools are struggling still but you might get in your closest struggling school now. Temporary packing jobs etc are there for the taking. Which might lead to permanent roles. Care jobs are there. The NHS is still on its knees but it was before anyway. Food prices might be increasing on stuff like butter but when you couldn't afford it at £1 a block anyway it doesn't make much difference. UC was coming anyway and the cuts to disability benefits happened anyway too.

There is a slim chance labour will get in sooner rather than later. And that's got to be better than a Tory government when you are on the bones of your arse.

So the protest vote worked in so far as it was a protest vote. Brexit will happen. It might not be any better but at least then the government in power will be held accountable rather than the EU.

Basically there is no politician of stature from a a solid working class background.

But many working people like a toff. They like Rees Mogg and Boris. They consider them charming harmless bumblers. It is terrifying.

We are hedging our bets with Irish citizenship, but it won't help our kids.

It's a protest vote. It's not meant to make things better. It's meant to say fuck you.

The people on the receiving end of the "fuck you" don't care. Will Cameron and Osborne suffer financially?

It might not be any better but at least then the government in power will be held accountable rather than the EU.

Governments are held accountable every 5 years through a general election.

Many of the chattering classes do, in fact, care one hell of a lot. I think you need to be very rich to be untouched by Brexit.

The Tory Government will do their damndest to make sure that it's not them who get blamed. Global recession in 2008 due to an American led banking crisis, helped by Thatcher's deregulation of UK finance markets? All Labour's fault.

Austerity since 2010? Make a big issue of Clegg and student fees, and shaft the LibDems.

Yes, some of us get the measure of the Tories.

Many of the chattering classes do, in fact, care one hell of a lot. I think you need to be very rich to be untouched by Brexit.

Right, so Brexit is a patriotic act designed to fuck over other Brits?

Those with the means will work abroad/acquire citizenship. Ultimately those who voted as a "fuck you" will be left behind.

For years the Tories talked about "getting on" and "aspiration". It now appears that ordinary folk with an education and professional jobs with the temerity to drive a car and have a mortgage are considered to be conspiring against the poor and therefore should be held in contempt like Oxbridge educated, millionaire MP's! Brilliant divide and conquer job.

Well yeah, divide and conquer is what the Tories do.

Risk of crops rotting in Cornwall: Don't worry. We'll import food made abroad for 20% cheaper than it costs now. This will make UK farming unviable, but everyone will benefit from lower food prices. UK won't need cheap EU workers after all.

More school spaces in London: Ironic considering 75% London voted Remain. But as usual - the capital does better than the sticks. I live in the sticks where they voted 58% for Brexit & there are no migrants. We have no impact from immigration here... except when we need a dentist or a doctor. Oh, and the science park. It's all Johnny Foreigner in these places.

My input to the two often touted 'benefits' (regularly by the Sun & Daily Mail) that I find most irritating:

1. Parliament will be sovereign again: The European Communties Act 1972 is an act of Parliament that can be repealed or amended by Parliament at any time. Parliament is sovereign.

1. The £350 million savings per week line:

www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/uk-statistics-authority-statement-on-the-use-of-official-statistics-on-contributions-to-the-european-union/

ghost
Majority of Labour supporters voted remain.
Maybe in London but not in the North or in Wales or in East Anglia or in the South West or in the Midlands

I'm not sure that's actually true but happy to be corrected. I'd be interested where the stats are for East anglia especially.

Arf Julie

And yet most leave voting areas have very little immigration. Sunderland, for example, is I believe 98% White British. The whole "Johnny Foreigner stole my job" mantra is a load of fear mongering, ignorant, hate filled bollocks.

^^ I must admit I have always been interested in how these figures can be gained when so many eastern European workers have come in and work under any radar. They probably work cash in hand, car wash, etc and they dont have tenancy agreements ( see mass encampments in small terrace houses), they dont register with doctors, they dont know how too, are scared, cant speak enough English, they work for cash in hand on building sites, live on shoe string budgets and save money to go home and massively improve their quality of life there. ( who can blame them) BUT these people are not on registers, they are not counted, so how can anyone say what the actual stats for immigration are?
This was of course the massive issue and why indeed we are in Brexit because no one did count immigrants in, I believe some one went down to Dover once to stand there with a clip board? Apparently he approached a few people who may have seemed like they were coming from EE and asked them if they were planning on staying. Cue massively under funded councils, a hammer blow to budgets, meals on wheels pulled from the elderly to give emergency funding to schools and so on.
Anyway I would be interested Grimes in your source of numbers....

So many Labour voters voted leave.

You.gov polling suggested Labour voters voted 65% Remain and 35% Leave.

d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/oxmidrr5wh/EUFinalCall_Reweighted.pdf

Lord Ashcroft poll had a 63% / 37% Remain Leave split.

lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/

In Wearside, 61 per cent opted to leave, with immigration cited as a significant factor. However, only 5 per cent of people in Sunderland are non-UK born. Clearly, the apparent "issues" relating to immigration were not impacting directly on the city as much as its residents believed. These false perceptions were allowed to fester unnoticed by some.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/07/how-sunderland-became-poster-child-brexit

So people in Sunderland are only allowed to base their vote on what is happening in their locality? And they are not allowed to vote based on what was happening to their country? Despite one affecting the other.

I supposed that's what you believe if you are happy to subjugate your democracy to a foreign body.

we will be forced to eat chlorine

Well thats bollocks it was bollocks the first time you said it

Not really a surprise but Parliament will have to vote on a Brexit deal.

The leavers on my local rag are imploding

Democracy in action jacques

So people in Sunderland are only allowed to base their vote on what is happening in their locality? And they are not allowed to vote based on what was happening to their country? Despite one affecting the other.

People in the bigger cities are largely saying they don't have a problem with immigration. Those in smaller, predominantly white towns are saying that immigration is an issue. What Brexit has done is caused complete division up and down the country. Do you think you got your country back because I don't recognise it anymore.

I supposed that's what you believe if you are happy to subjugate your democracy to a foreign body.

Despite being able to vote for an MEP.

I'm not getting that suspicion about masses of E. Europeans under the radar cash in hand mass encampments don't speak English... aren't the poor E. Europeans all supposed to be claiming benefits & taking council houses and jobs away from British born people? How can they be simultaneous job-stealers AND benefit scroungers AND uncounted under the radar?

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