Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

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If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

The Equality Act and the Gender Recognition Act would seem to be at odds with that statement. If a transwoman with a GRC had been refused service, then Top Shop would have been legally in the wrong to do that.

The letter is about 'transfeminine' and 'non-binary'.

Yes a GRC means someone has 'legally' changed sex (whatever the hell that means in reality) but Travis has neither a GRC nor even calls himself a transwoman. He decides which sex he is based on clothing each day. Which is clearly nonsensical.

GRCs work pretty fine for the moment tbh IMO. Especially when there has to be a diagnosis of sex dysphoria to get one (something which is apparently transphobic to insist upon...). Keeps out all these narcissistic snowflakes whilst also giving exceptions for actual transsexuals (and a lot of women protesting the changes have absolutely no issue with transsexual people using areas that correspond to the sex they are emulating) too. Topshop are so in the wrong on this one and I am sure they regret having such a kneejerk reaction to one idiot having a tantrum.

Read what has been posted. It specifically mentions GRC

I have read the schedule 3 where the exemption that people have mentioned is.

I can't see any mention of the GRC in that.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/schedule/3

Schedule 9: Work: exceptions
Considerations of privacy or decency might require a public changing room or lavatory attendant to be of the same sex as those using the facilities.
A counsellor working with victims of rape might have to be a woman and not a transsexual person, even if she has a Gender Recognition Certificate, in order to avoid causing them further distress.

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/pdfs/ukpgaen20100015en.pdf" target="blank">http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/pdfs/ukpgaen201000155<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/pdfs/ukpgaen20100015en.pdf" target="_blank">en.pdf

Perhaps I can help clear this up? The article is discussing individuals who identify as non-binary and transfeminine. There is no option of declaring oneself non-binary on a GRC, something the new gender ID proposals wish to change.

Non-binary identifying people have no legal right to use women's sex segregated spaces. There is a legal entitlement to exclude them, however.

The link is wrong, but this is my understanding of the law. I am not in a position to hunt for it right now.

And yes, even with a GRC, exceptions can legally be made.

Non-binary identifying people have no legal right to use women's sex segregated spaces. There is a legal entitlement to exclude them, however.

Yes. Exactly.

But yeah, transphobic bigots yadayada

(Thats not directed at saga, just the other ploppers)

Good points, Gappy.

And yes, even with a GRC, exceptions can legally be made

I see the link - I don't have a problem with that at all - as it's to do with work issues. I can certainly see how there could be problems with that - as in the example given of a rape counsellor.

Link here to what Ereshkigal posted.

Trans equality report devotes almost a whole chapter to these exemptions. We're not making this stuff up!

Thanks Pencils! That's great saga, I'm glad you agree there should be exemptions, I imagine you'd get a lot of flak for that view from transactivists.

There is a bit of irony in that leglisation.

Considerations of privacy or decency might require a public changing room or lavatory attendant to be of the same sex as those using the facilities

But it would be illegal for someone not to let a trans person with a GRC use such facilities.

Gappyonthetwits

Are you the author of the article? I’m assuming you are.

Please stay. Be a mumsnetter.

Mumsnet have 12 million unique users per month.

That’s an awful lot of women.

And what have mumsnet mods done? Deleted protests at the reeking transphobia disguised as "concern".

Transwomen are women. Full stop. All of you posting otherwise should be deepl,y deeply ashamed of yourselves.

Transwomen are women. Full stop. All of you posting otherwise should be deepl,y deeply ashamed of yourselves

Do you think that instead of transitioning for a long time, taking HRT and having surgery in order to get a GRC, someone should be able to say I am trans, sign a form and get a GRC like that - with all that comes with it?

Transwomen are women

What definition of 'women' are you using here, please?

toconclude - Transwomen are women

Please can you define what a woman is, that doesn't include a circular definition in the answer.

How do I know if I am one?

Nobody seems to be able to answer these $64 million questions.

toconclude

Transwomen are women. Full stop. All of you posting otherwise should be deepl,y deeply ashamed of yourselves.

The bigotry and prejudice in this statement is breathtaking.

How dare you victimise a marginalised group?

Are you happy sitting there in your ivory tower? Whilst a marginalised group are routinely victimised, abused, harassed, and sexually exploited? Two people a week, each bloody week are killed on the basis of their inferior status in society.

You should be utterly ashamed of yourself.

I am Datun, yeah. (waves hello)

And what have mumsnet mods done? Deleted protests at the reeking transphobia disguised as "concern".

The mods delete any actual transphobia. I don't think they consider biological facts to be transphobic though, something some members seem to be thoroughly displeased with

I am not deeply ashamed that I acknowledge biological facts. I don't think anyone else should be either. What definition of woman are you using by the way? To me, woman means adult human female as no other definition makes any sense?

The dictionary definition of "woman" is "an adult human female" ie; someone born with XX chromosomes. Therefore, until a man has a chromosome transplant, anyone who claims that a transwoman is a woman, must be biology-denier.

I'm not ashamed of myself. I'd be ashamed of myself if I didn't challenge this unworkable, poorly thought through legislation change. They're not women, they're male. So that's that, really.