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Contact your MP about the Gender Recongnition Act

370 replies

Babieseverywhere · 10/11/2017 07:07

If you are concerned with the proposed changes to the law, which allow boys/men into every area, space and club currently allocated as girl/women only read on.

Otherwise close the thread.

"What can we do ?"

Write to your MP

Follow up with a visit to the same MP

Tell them that woman's rights are being elimitated in order to virtual signal to the trans population. That these new rules will make things difficult for the original transsexuals and woman. Whilst literally opening the door to female only spaces to sexual offenders.

Take copies of leaflets that they need to read.

Including the Sage leaflet mentioned below, full of all the basic facts.

The Transgendertrend web address with its alternative school based reports on supporting gender non confirming children without throwing girls under the bus.

Tell your MP that many of the original transsexuals are concerned too. Miranda Yardley being a highly recognized example in this category, who is supportive of women's rights and a Mumsnetter.

Search the Mumsnet Feminist section for other links. The damage to girls's safety in schools, woman's rape centres, woman's prisions, women's sports, women's grants, etc.

It is a never ending list of problems but they all start with the potential amendments to the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) that are being debated by government over the next few months.

Tell your MP to OPPOSE the changes to the Gender Recognition Act

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theaveragewife · 10/11/2017 18:48

She is great bambambini - found her the other day and read this medium.com/@GappyTales/you-aint-no-feminist-bruv-the-battle-for-feminism-6a6df0fb2461 which is also well written and cuts through the bullshit!

stitchglitched · 10/11/2017 18:48

Are they seriously proposing in Scotland that your spouse transing can't be grounds for divorce?!

MadgeMak · 10/11/2017 18:49

I was just about to post that very same link, averagewife.

MadgeMak · 10/11/2017 18:51

Oh I see gappy is on this thread. You nailed it with that letter, bravo!

Ereshkigal · 10/11/2017 18:52

YY Gappy your letter is excellent!

Ereshkigal · 10/11/2017 18:55

Datun 18.31

Brava! Well said.

theaveragewife · 10/11/2017 19:00

Ahhh a little bit of a fan girl moment here - just posted the link as soon as I clicked onto the previous, without reading the rest of the page.

Gappy - please stay, you're awesome.

Datun · 10/11/2017 19:00

@Gappyonthetwits

I am Datun, yeah. (waves hello)

Dear God, woman. You nailed it. I can’t be arsed to retype, so I am cutting and pasting a comment I made on your article, below.

All creds to @BetseyM00 for the original posting

BetsyM00

WOW!! What a bloody letter. I’ve rarely read anything that absolutely nails it so well.

She had everything in there.

Reminding Topshop of their cultural importance, reminding them who their demographic is, pointing out the paedo best friend, the misogyny where one man’s complaint can change the policy. All of it.

But the real nail in the coffin was asking whether if any other man (judge, plumber) had posed as a 15-year-old girl with a see-through top and whose best mate calls little girls deviant and kinky, would they then still have changed their policy to allow him access to young girls on the basis of him telling them to sort their shit out!

Brava to that woman.

Gappyonthetwits · 10/11/2017 19:06

Aw thanks everyone - that means a lot. Most of my time online is spent being told I suck, so it's especially nice to read such lovely comments Grin

Datun · 10/11/2017 19:10

Please stick around. Especially on the feminist boards. We are (mostly) gender critical. And for every person who posts, there are 100s of women lurking.

12 million unique users per month. Within that there are an awful lot of pissed off women.

sagamartha · 10/11/2017 19:15

gappy

Some of the things in your letter have been said about transwomen who have transitioned - such as the unmistakable male face, appearance and stature.

I've just read another of your blogs

medium.com/@GappyTales/me-too-now-what-sex-the-left-and-gender-identity-236b08f194b0

"And so it is in this context that I would like to consider why so many men on the left refuse to accept women’s concerns about the new gender identity law that will allow any male to access women’s sex segregated spaces, regardless of presentation, or hormonal/surgical status. You have read our painful disclosures, our universal cries of me too! You have had a taste of what it might be like to try to navigate a male dominated world as a woman, and of how a socially conditioned fear of male bodies might ingrain itself. You have read the stories at the thinner end of the wedge, the ones we can stand to share, and have judged them harrowing. So tell us again how our desire to retain our safe spaces and sex based rights are bigoted and unreasonable? Tell us again how we should willingly get changed next to a stranger with a penis while focusing on ensuring our fearful body language doesn’t make them feel uncomfortable"

Would you be comfortable with a transwoman who has transitioned and is just trying to live their lives like anyone else?

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2017 19:21

Bloody excellent letter, Gappyonthetwits you nailed all of it! Star

BahHumbygge · 10/11/2017 19:25

Gappy FlowersFlowersFlowers

DrKrogersfavouritepatient · 10/11/2017 19:28

Gappy superb article

DrKrogersfavouritepatient · 10/11/2017 19:32

Thank you to Datun and Gappy in particular for your contributions here

PencilsInSpace · 10/11/2017 19:34

Some of the things in your letter have been said about transwomen who have transitioned - such as the unmistakable male face, appearance and stature.

Transwomen who have transitioned are still male.

We can't tell who has transitioned (or what that has involved for any individual - top surgery? bottom surgery? hormones? GRC?), we can't tell who is just trying to live their lives, who is a narcissistic arsehole or who is a sexual abuser.

Same with other men, most of whom are just trying to live their lives, but some of whom would harm us. So we have some sex segregated spaces.

We used to have a perfectly workable 'honour system'. What a shame the transactivists have fucked that up. 10 years ago I was reasonably comfortable encountering transwomen in female only spaces, despite being able to accurately identify them as male. Now, not so much unless I know them, because trans doesn't mean what it did back then and a courtesy has been taken as a right.

sagamartha · 10/11/2017 19:41

What a shame the transactivists have fucked that up

I agree. Prominent transactivists have made life a lot harder for trans people just trying to live their lives like anyone else.

DrKrogersfavouritepatient · 10/11/2017 19:41

we used to have a perfectly acceptable "honour system " What a shame the transactivists have fucked that up

Indeed Pencils

Ereshkigal · 10/11/2017 19:43

Now, not so much unless I know them, because trans doesn't mean what it did back then and a courtesy has been taken as a right.

YY. I don't want aggressive, overbearing entitled males in female space.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 10/11/2017 19:50

Quietly standing and absorbing all of this. Thank you to you all for your courage and bravery and downright doggedness. I can't be the only the only lurker who has been brought up to speed by your knowledge and insight.
Thank you. Thank you.
Gappy- that letter is stupendously good.

Backingvocals · 10/11/2017 19:53

gappy I followed you on Twitter on the strength of your letter which was awesome. Also retweeted you to my millions of followers (64😄). Please do stay on MN. Some very smart women on here.

Gappyonthetwits · 10/11/2017 19:55

sagamartha what do you mean by transitioned? That they have had bottom surgery? Yes, for me personally - and I do not speak for anyone else - that is where the line is drawn. I will accept that someone who has fully transitioned in that way is entitled to a GRC and I would accept their right to use female toilets and change rooms, although I do not accept they are biologically female and would still fight for my right to organise politically with natal females only.

Unfortunately this is almost impossible to police, very few transwomen transition fully, and the trans umbrella has been broadened and broadened in order to cover any useful idiot and therefore gain more activists.

With respect, I came onto the thread to correct a factual mistake, not to spend my evening having to fight my corner with regards to other articles I've written. Am usually very happy to debate and will have a respectful discussion with anyone on this issue, but things are non stop at the moment with the publication of my letter to Topshop - my social media is firing new notifications every second and I just don't have the time or energy to devote to a debate on here.

Will definitely come back though - the feminism threads are brilliant.

sagamartha · 10/11/2017 19:58

Will definitely come back though - the feminism threads are brilliant

It's a bit like the Hotel California in that respect....Grin

whitehandledkitchenknife · 10/11/2017 20:02

GrinGrinGrin

theaveragewife · 10/11/2017 20:14

Not to be too woo Gappy, but sending you strength. The constant fighting to be heard can sometimes be really difficult, I think what you're doing is amazing - I couldn't stand up for myself in a room of students with a trans tutor telling us about the female penis (complete with sperm swimming across a powerpoint presentation - I shit you not).

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I will read all of your future publications and clap along, if you are ever speaking at any events come back and post on the feminist board.