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Topshop gender neutral changing rooms part 2

452 replies

BahHumbygge · 09/11/2017 16:03

Part 1 here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3080957-To-alert-you-to-the-fact-that-Topshop-just-changed-its-policy-to-let-men-into-the-womens-changing-rooms

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Babieseverywhere · 10/11/2017 17:10

Brilliant letter.

Datun · 10/11/2017 17:12

It really is. I’m not only blown away by the way she wrote it, I’m struck, afresh, by this double fucking standard.

I see it a lot, if you spend any time online you will always see it.

But now it’s out there. Undeniable. Analysable ( is that a word?).

Bucketsandspoons · 10/11/2017 17:13

The letter by Jenni Harvey nails it.

Ineedacupofteadesperately · 10/11/2017 17:25

How can this be happening in the same universe as #metoo?

FlowerPot1234 · 10/11/2017 17:25

I wonder if there are gender neutral changing areas on Philip Green's yacht?

Spangles1963 · 10/11/2017 17:25

Hopefully,the effects of their policy will be reflected in a severe nose-dive of their sales and profits.

Scabbersley · 10/11/2017 17:26

Love the letter

Ereshkigal · 10/11/2017 17:35

He is living in a bubble fuelled by narcissism, sex and pornography, and he thinks everyone else is too.

Exactly. Because he wafts around in his echo chamber getting validated at all times.

Ereshkigal · 10/11/2017 17:36

How can this be happening in the same universe as #metoo?

I know. It's quite stark.

DJBaggySmalls · 10/11/2017 17:41

sagamartha
It's expensive if you haven't got £140.

Its means tested. Why dont you look at the govt website to see what the facts are?

HadronCollider · 10/11/2017 18:10

No, no, no, no no no and again NO!!!

Happy to stand outside TopShop with placards just to further that point. They will never see a penny of my money again.

If that gets me labelled a 'transphobe' then so be it.

Datun · 10/11/2017 18:18

Ineedacupofteadesperately

How can this be happening in the same universe as #metoo?

Patriarchy, innit.

ApocalypseNowt · 10/11/2017 20:58

Love the letter. I've shared it on twitter.

In a way this story is good news for exposing the TRA agenda for what it actually is.

colouringinagain · 10/11/2017 23:03

Seems like no-one has had a reply to their emails and tweets from topshop raising concerns about women's safe spaces.

Didn't take them long to reply to Travis though Hmm

Betty184 · 11/11/2017 00:07

A wonderful open letter to Topshop by Jeni Harvey:
medium.com/@GappyTales/an-open-letter-to-topshop-d7351ef932ab

Excellent letter. Thanks for sharing. Let's see if it gets a response from Topshop...

drumsPlease · 11/11/2017 00:58

@RosatheOwl

"Can you imagine if a group of women decided to try on coats and wanted access to the men's changing room to do that?!"

Can you imagine anyone caring?

drumsPlease · 11/11/2017 01:01

@colouringinagain

They're probably laughing at the idea that you think you can dictate their policy to them.

BlackForestCake · 11/11/2017 04:39

Creepy Travis thought they could dictate their policy to them. Why shouldn’t anyone else?

ALittleBitOfButter · 11/11/2017 07:18

sagamartha

People like Travis and other prominent trans activists who behave like this and act in such an entitled way are causing issues for those trans people who just want to live their lives without bothering people and who just want to slip under the radar. The ones who are undergoing transition and who do qualify for a GRC. The ones most people think of when the word 'trans' is mentioned

I worry about a backlash against trans people as some people may not be able to separate the actions of such activists from the trans people who don't want to cause issues. The behaviour of such activists affects public perception and public attitudes towards a community that already has a lot to deal with

When trans people who are thought of as 'traditional transsexuals' speak out and challenge such activists, they get verbal abuse and all the other behaviour that is also similar to the way they treat other people who challenge them. It makes standing up to such people very difficult when there is such a response

Really Sagamartha, you've been trying to pick holes in everything gender critical on here, then you say this! So you are a full TERF! If you were actually paying attention this is what Mumsnet has generally been saying for years.

Datun · 11/11/2017 07:42

They're probably laughing at the idea that you think you can dictate their policy to them

Who, their customers?

Bedsettee · 11/11/2017 08:21

I wonder if the likes of Travis will start to test the boundaries at all clothes stores so this story will run on until a retailer shows some backbone and says changing rooms are segregated by sex.

drumsPlease · 11/11/2017 08:30

@Datun

Firstly, it's unlikely that most posters here are the target demographic. Secondly, I'm not sure you understand what 'dictate' means'.

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I wonder how you all feel about shops where there're 1 or 2 changing rooms. Smaller ones which sell women's clothing (dresses, skirts etc).

Should they be expected to ban trans people? Hang up a sign when there's one in the shop? Would you protest outside and ban your daughters from shopping there?

Scabbersley · 11/11/2017 08:34

Firstly, it's unlikely that most posters here are the target demographic
speaks slowly for hard of thinking
I imagine a lot of posters share their house with the target demographic. I have four of them. Fwiw, the party line hasn't filtered down to my local topshop. When dd asked yesterday if they would let men into the women's changing if they said they were gender fluid, the sales assistant looked at her as if she has two heads and said, pointing to the topman changing, the men go in there.

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Datun · 11/11/2017 08:42

Firstly, it's unlikely that most posters here are the target demographic. Secondly, I'm not sure you understand what 'dictate' means'.

The women on here are exactly the demographic. Parents of teenage girls. And, more importantly, they are the ones who pay for the clothes.

Top shop is in every single town in the country. Do you really think that women want men who think little girls are ‘kinky and deviant’ to share changing rooms with their daughters?

Money will absolutely be the deciding factor here. Do you remember Gerald Ratner?

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