Topshop gender neutral changing rooms part 2

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Part 1 here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3080957-To-alert-you-to-the-fact-that-Topshop-just-changed-its-policy-to-let-men-into-the-womens-changing-rooms

Have you really taught your daughter to feel afraid of being in a safe space with men?

Lol. Some people never, ever tire of blaming women for male violence.

Lol, where's the blame in the sentence you quoted, lol?

I see the GFs and trolls have had their Shreddies.

@Datun

Why not answer my (genuine) question about the small shops?

@badbadhusky

I understand that some of you like an echochamber and struggle to understand that some others may have different opinions but do you see quite how churlish it is to simply use "GF" and make inane comments?

“Creepy Travis thought they could dictate their policy to them. Why shouldn’t anyone else?“

I think their policy is that changing rooms are gender neutral so Travis wasn’t wrong. It’s really for Topshop to be clear what their policy is. I think Travis and his mates sre annoying attention seekers who selfishly give no thought to the women/girls who i think would generally prefer segregated changing rooms - especially those eith curtains and often unmanned.

I understand that some of you like an echochamber and struggle to understand that some others may have different opinions

Oh the irony! Have you not read anything that Datun has posted? She's extremely fair, calm and informed.

I don't have time to read all the posts. I think people (boys/men) will use their phones to take photos under/over doors of cubicles. I give it six months at most before it changes back..

I wonder how you all feel about shops where there're 1 or 2 changing rooms. Smaller ones which sell women's clothing (dresses, skirts etc).

Should they be expected to ban trans people? Hang up a sign when there's one in the shop? Would you protest outside and ban your daughters from shopping there?

This question?

It spectacularly misses the point.

It’s not about whether or not men who like to wear dresses can go to shops and try them on.

It’s about demanding entry when you have a perfectly good alternative, purely because you have a need to dominate and control. And the cultural expectation you can’t exercise any authority over them.

I have no problem with men buying dresses.

drumsPlease I imagine your post about my dd will be deleted but I am glad it irritated you. You seem to really really hate women standing up for themselves.

I notice my dd 'having a pop' (actually asking a polite question) is unacceptable but Travis swearing and slagging off shop assistants isn't. Honestly, you aren't doing yourself any favours!

Actually I think the transgender issue around this has become caught up in something much more sinister. The more I read about Travis the more convinced I am that he is actually just trying to normalize paedophilia.

The more I read about Travis the more convinced I am that he is actually just trying to normalize paedophilia.

Yup.

Sorry didn't mean to imply transgenderism was sinister. Ignore the words much and more!

Topshop is a woman’s/girl’s shop and like department stores often has a seperate men’s department on another floor or separate area with seperate changing rooms so it goes against social norms for golk to use the obviously “wrong” changing room.

Do folk have issues with all the other places like Supermarkets, TKMaxx etc that just have unisex changing - though usually with a lockable door?

I’m curious now if folk have a strong preference, if some women actively avoid unisex. How folk would really feel about unisex stalled loos etc.

I wonder how you all feel about shops where there're 1 or 2 changing rooms.

Those ones aren't generally an issue as they're usually on the main shop floor, not off a corridor, so you're unlikely to get creeps using their phones over or under the gaps to get pictures, or 'accidentally' opening the door/curtain, because they'd be in full sight of other shoppers and staff (though putting hidden cameras up is still a potential issue). It's the changing rooms where there are several off a corridor, out of sight of staff etc. where it's more of an issue.
And of course the whole idea that men can just take women's space when they have their own, perfectly suitable, space which is outrageous. That a man complaining changes policy but women complaining gets ignored.

Doesn’t Gap do this? I think quite a few shops do it already.

If each changing cubicle is individual and lockable and then what’s the problem? It’s the same in swimming pools.

I have concerns about the while trans activist agenda - but this isn’t one of them. It’s just Top Shop reconfiguring it’s changing rooms and everyone gets their own private space.

Can't we just have three - men, women, neutral/mixed?

I personally don’t avoid unisex. It would be difficult. But it’s nowhere near as nice and relaxing an experience as female only.

And if it’s designated unisex, it’s usually much more private, in terms of individual, lockable cubicles.

This is missing the point that men like Travis don't WANT unisex changing rooms. They want to go into the women's as it validates them as a woman. Suggesting he could use a unisex changing room would be transphobic, according to him.

alittlebitofbutter

you've been trying to pick holes in everything gender critical on here, then you say this

I don't think I've said anything about gender - just been trying to say that there are differences between those people who are 'transsexual' and go through transition and those people who claim to be transgender and then want to simply self declare.

So is Top Shop envisaging unisex communal changing rooms?

Fat face have unisex changing rooms and they are just that, a fully enclosed room, absolutely no problem. Other stores have flimsy curtains that don't close properly, my teenage daughter always makes me hold the curtains so no one can see her and that's in a female only area. Now we have the added issue of the potential presence of men.

I'm struggling to see an issue...

Then I think that if there are proper lockable cubicles then I’ve no problem with it.