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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 06:11

Saudi Authorities Freeze Former Crown Prince’s Bank Accounts

www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-authorities-freeze-former-crown-princes-bank-accounts-1510182890

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 06:15

Russia investigators probe 2016 GOP platform fight

Congressional investigators have interviewed ex-Donald Trump aides about the campaign’s push to remove proposed language that called for giving weapons to Ukraine.

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/08/republicans-russia-platform-fight-244672

U.S. investigators are focusing on an enduring mystery of the 2016 election: whether Trump campaign officials made the Republican Party platform more friendly to Russia as part of some broader effort to collude with the Kremlin, according to congressional records and people familiar with the probes.

Congressional investigators have interviewed ex-Donald Trump aides and advisers including J.D. Gordon, the national security policy representative at last year’s GOP convention, about the campaign’s push to remove proposed language from the 2016 Republican platform that called for giving weapons to Ukraine. People involved with crafting the platform also were expecting interest from special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, such as witness interviews or producing documents, some of those sources said.

The Trump campaign’s position in the platform fight was seen at the time as making the official GOP stance friendlier toward Russia because the proposed language they defeated would have endorsed sending weapons to aid the Ukrainian government’s fight against pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country. Many leading Republicans backed the idea, so the platform fight came as a surprise.

Now that year-old debate is getting fresh scrutiny from the ongoing investigations into how Moscow meddled in the 2016 election and whether any Trump aides were involved, including then-convention manager Paul Manafort. The president has repeatedly denied any collusion, calling the investigations a “witch hunt.”

Gordon, who has been a senior national security adviser or spokesman to four GOP presidential candidates since 2012, has largely escaped the harsh spotlight on some other Trump campaign officials. But while he has not been accused of wrongdoing, he has been questioned, in part, because of his role in the platform fight and his job overseeing two campaign volunteers, Carter Page and George Papadopoulos, who communicated with Russian officials or operatives last year.

[...]Investigators are focusing, in part, on whether those activities were part of any choreographed effort by the campaign to forge closer ties to Russia or to exchange promises — such as dropping U.S. sanctions, if elected — in return for help defeating Clinton. Lawmakers continue to ask about the 2016 platform fight as part of that probe, and Page, a campaign foreign policy adviser, faced questions on the subject when he appeared before House investigators last week.

Gordon told POLITICO in a series of exchanges that he wasn’t involved in any wrongdoing and that he wasn’t aware of any suspect activities by Manafort or other campaign officials or advisers. He said investigators were probing other people involved in pushing the platform change that the Trump campaign opposed, though he would not identify them.

"Investigators are rightly looking into whether or not crimes were committed by individuals connected to Ukraine, including possible FARA violations and other illegal activities,” Gordon wrote, referring to the Foreign Agents Registration Act. “I applaud them for conducting a thorough investigation as there are clearly two sides to the GOP Platform controversy."

Gordon said it would be up to Mueller to reveal whether the special counsel’s office had reached out to him or interviewed him, and he declined to provide specifics of his talks with congressional investigators except to say that they covered a range of topics. He agreed to speak on the record to POLITICO only via text message exchanges, given what he said was the sensitivity of the investigations and efforts by some Trump opponents to thrust him into the middle of them.

The “stakes are too high for error. Prison, impeachment proceedings, lawsuits,” he wrote in one text message.

“Impeachment of a President at stake,” he wrote in another. “Would prefer people stop trying to use my head as a battering ram.”

Thread from Seth Abramson about it:

Seth Abramson‏Verified account
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J.D. Gordon threatened me repeatedly over my posting of the thread below.

He tried to get me fired; he threatened to sue me; he threatened to have me arrested; he reported me to the FBI.

All this has been going on behind the scenes.

Now we know why he tried to intimidate me.

twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/855861076411506688

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 06:19

Flynn worries about son in special counsel probe

edition.cnn.com/2017/11/08/politics/michael-flynn-son-special-counsel-russia-investigation/index.html

Washington (CNN)Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn has expressed concern about the potential legal exposure of his son, Michael Flynn Jr., who, like his father, is under scrutiny by special counsel Robert Mueller, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.

^Flynn's concern could factor into decisions about how to respond to Mueller's ongoing investigation. The special counsel is looking into Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign as well as the business dealings of key campaign advisers to President Donald Trump.
Flynn's wife, Lori, shares his concerns about their son's possible legal exposure, according to a person who knows the family.^

Renato Mariotti‏*@renato*_mariotti

THREAD: Why is Michael Flynn worried about his son’s criminal liability, and what does it mean for Mueller?

1/ Today @CNN reported that Flynn is worried about his son being indicted by Mueller.
2/ This shouldn’t surprise us, because @NBCNews recently reported that Mueller has sufficient evidence to indict Flynn and his son, as I discussed in this thread:
twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/927281297659236352
3/ Flynn’s reaction to his son’s potential liability is what I’m used to seeing from the target of a criminal investigation. Getting indicted by a federal prosecutor is a very serious problem. They usually win and the result is usually time in federal prison.
4/ But today’s news is a turn of events because, as I discussed in the prior thread, Flynn’s son has been publicly trashing Mueller. He falsely alleged Mueller was tied to Hamas, among other things.
5/ You don’t need to be a former federal prosecutor to know that publicly and personally attacking the prosecutor is a really bad idea if you’re about to be indicted.
6/ The prosecutor recommends a sentence if you’re convicted, and during the course of your case, you may want the prosecutor’s cooperation on some issues even if you’re mounting an aggressive defense.
7/ My original takeaway from the foolish actions of Flynn’s son is that he expected to be pardoned, because that was the only rational explanation for his otherwise irrational behavior.
8/ Now that we know Flynn is worried about his son, that means this could play out like other criminal cases. That means Flynn could cooperate with Mueller’s investigation in exchange for leniency for his son.
9/ That’s called “vicarious cooperation” and it’s fairly common. In other notable cases, federal prosecutors have built cases against family members to get someone to flip.
10/ For example, my former colleagues built a case against the girlfriend of a top aide to former Illinois governor George Ryan. It worked—he flipped and was a key witness against Ryan.
t.co/kR8Xb0nul5
11/ You could imagine the same thing happening here, unless Trump intervenes with pardons. That’s possible, given Comey’s testimony that Trump asked him to drop the investigation against Flynn. Time will tell. /end

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 06:23

Twitter news:

Moscow says Twitter ready to store data of users on Russian servers despite concerns over surveillance

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/08/moscow-says-twitter-ready-store-data-users-russian-servers-despite/#

Twitter has agreed to store the personal data of Russian nationals on servers located within Russia in order to comply with a data security law, a state agency has claimed.

The San Francisco-based social media company sent a letter expressing its “readiness to localise databases on the territory of Russia by the middle of 2018”, the Russian state communications oversight agency told Izvestia newspaper.

The 2015 data security law requires companies to store Russians' “personal data” in Russia, ostensibly to reduce dependence on foreign technology.

It has caused widespread concern that it puts users' personal information at risk of being accessed by Russian intelligence services.

Also this:

Kyle Griffin‏*@kylegriffin1*

Twitter just verified Jason Kessler, the creator of the white supremacist Charlottesville rally.

www.thedailybeast.com/twitter-verifies-charlottesville-rally-boss-jason-kessler-who-called-slain-protesters-death-payback-time?source=twitter&via=mobile

On Tuesday, Twitter gave its preferred status, a verified check mark, to Jason Kessler, the creator of the white supremacist Charlottesville rally in August that left one dead.

Kessler’s new verified status comes just 26 days after CEO Jack Dorsey again recommitted to eliminating “hate symbols, violent groups, and tweets that glorifies violence” from its platform.

Kessler previously deleted his Twitter account in August after he tweeted that Heather Heyer, the woman who was killed protesting the white nationalist rally he created, “was a fat, disgusting Communist” and that her death “was payback time."

Kessler blamed the tweet on taking too many prescription drugs mixed with alcohol.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 06:25

Natasha Bertrand‏ @NatashaBertrand

Johnson believes the Post story published on June 14, attributing the DNC hack to Russia, “accelerated their timeline. I believe now that they were intending to release the information in late October or a week before the election.’”

He Solved The DNC Hack. Now He's Telling His Story For The First Time.

Less than a year before Marine Corps cyberwarrior Robert Johnston discovered that the Russians had hacked the Democratic National Committee, he found they had launched a similar attack at the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/he-solved-the-dnc-hack-now-hes-telling-his-story-for-the?utm_term=.mrq7xmA2r#.veMaLmZdy

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 06:28

David Nakamura‏ @DavidNakamura

Audible gasp from reporters as Trump tells biz leaders in Beijing on trade imbalance: "I don't blame China. Who can blame a country for being able to take advantage of another country for benefit if their citizens? I give China great credit."

Jim Acosta‏Verified account @Acosta

Trump has changed his tune on China, said this May ‘16: “We can't continue to allow China to rape our country and that's what they're doing”

Lweji · 09/11/2017 07:08

His message is still consistent, but it's like victim blaming.
China is raping the US.
I can't blame China because that's what I'd do.
The US must protect itself from China. It's the US fault for letting China raping us.

Actually, in this sense he's not completely wrong.
China has become commercially and financially aggressive. The onus is on other countries to protect themselves, because nobody else will.
However, it still doesn't mean withdrawing from trade agreements, that's just giving more power to China.

Roussette · 09/11/2017 07:26

So Trump, true to form, after meeting with Japan's PM, goes for a burger with ketchup. Instead of world class sushi, he wouldn't even try. H's a world class moron, tha's for sure

Roussette · 09/11/2017 07:27

Ooops forgot pic. He looks like a fat ignorant slob. Hope it doesn't put you off your breakfast Grin

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 07:40

Yes you’re right lweji, and how unsurprising that trump would opt for victim blaming, given his history with women.

David Frum on Lawrence O’Donnell last night made the point that the democratic victories would spark even more voter suppression. Rush limbaugh has already been sounding off about how felons having the right to vote was what made this happen and was descpicable and frum said something like “when the people tell republicans at the polls that they don’t like them, republicans don’t apologise or change but instead seek to redefine who “the people” are.

Fekko · 09/11/2017 08:09

Rousette - what do you mean looks like afar ignorant slob?

badbadhusky · 09/11/2017 09:01

I will take one for the team and eat world class sushi on behalf of Trump. Yum!

Fekko · 09/11/2017 09:03

Hang on - is that a burger and ketchup? Ffs is he 4 years old and won't eat 'stinky yukky foreign food?'

Roussette · 09/11/2017 09:12

Apparently when he was in Japan before he said "I'm not eating raw fucking fish". No tempura, no ramen, no sushi but a burger. He even has his burger well done FFS. And his steak very well done and charred. He is a pleb

mrsreynolds · 09/11/2017 09:18

Ugh
What a philistine

PerkingFaintly · 09/11/2017 09:18

when the people tell republicans at the polls that they don’t like them, republicans don’t apologise or change but instead seek to redefine who “the people” are.

Oh that's spot on.

And not just at the polls. The whole MAGA shit comes with a footnote "*but only for a narrowly defined set of the American people."

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Natsku · 09/11/2017 09:21

Have to admit though, I really want a burger now.

PerkingFaintly · 09/11/2017 09:21

Nah, he can have his burger. I'd forgive him that if he were a grown up in other ways.

Only if I can join badbadhusky in eating up the decent sushi for him, of course.Grin

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BoreOfWhabylon · 09/11/2017 09:29

Thanks for new thread.

On a mustelid-related note, I saw a dead badger on the side of the road the other day. It was an orangey-blonde colour (I believe known as erythrystic).

I like to think of it as an omen.

Fekko · 09/11/2017 09:34

But goes he eat it with a knife and fork?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 09:37

Bleurgh, I had an image of DT tucking into the dead badger with a knife and fork Envy

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/11/2017 09:45

Replace it with an image of ex-Trump lying on the side of the road.

Works for me.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 09/11/2017 10:34

Ha, that is more palatable! (though I am a wuss and am imagining him lying there desolately rather than dead)

Andrew Desiderio‏
New >> the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will hold a hearing next week on presidential authority to use nuclear weapons

Amy Siskind‏*@Amy*_Siskind

This is what scares me most: when Trump knows Mueller is closing in, he'll start a war to change the subject.

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/8/bob-corker-hearing-trumps-ability-nuclear-weapons/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

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BiglyBadgers · 09/11/2017 10:50

This is what scares me most: when Trump knows Mueller is closing in, he'll start a war to change the subject.

It was startlingly noticeable how trump's response to losing a few elections was to immediately put out a tweet attacking NK.

PerkingFaintly · 09/11/2017 11:18

This has been exactly my fear for a long time. That or something similarly awful domestically.

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