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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 21:36

If you want to see the parallel dimension that is Trump's America, read this defence of Roy Moore in the Washington Examiner:

www.washingtonexaminer.com/alabama-state-auditor-defends-roy-moore-against-sexual-allegations-invokes-mary-and-joseph/article/2640217
Alabama state auditor defends Roy Moore against sexual allegations, invokes Mary and Joseph

Thursday, November 09, 2017
OPINION
Alabama state auditor defends Roy Moore against sexual allegations, invokes Mary and Joseph
by Philip Wegmann | Nov 9, 2017, 3:30 PM Share on Twitter Share on Facebook Email this article Share on LinkedIn Print this article
A report alleged that Alabama Senate GOP candidate Roy Moore sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl when he was 32 years old. (AP Photo/Butch Dill)
A report alleged that Alabama Senate GOP candidate Roy Moore sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl when he was 32 years old. (AP Photo/Butch Dill)
Judge Roy Moore, the Republican candidate for Alabama's upcoming special Senate election, denies allegations that he romantically pursued teenagers as young as 14 when he was in his 30s. Even if the allegations are true, one statewide elected official in Alabama said it's "much ado about nothing."

“There is nothing to see here,” Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler told the Washington Examiner. “The allegations are that a man in his early 30s dated teenage girls. Even the Washington Post report says that he never had sexual intercourse with any of the girls and never attempted sexual intercourse.”

After interviews with more than 30 people, the Washington Post reported Thursday that Moore engaged in sexual contact with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32 years old and a powerful attorney in a small Alabama town.

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The young girl, Leigh Corfman, said Moore touched her over her bra and underpants, guiding her hand to his shorts. “I wanted it over with — I wanted out,” she recalled. “Please just get this over with. Whatever this is, just get it over.”

Ziegler seemed unconcerned about that allegation and told the Washington Examiner that any political concern would be mitigated by three things. Moore never had “sexual intercourse” with the girl. Their relationship “happened almost 40 years ago.” And finally, “Roy Moore fell in love with one of the younger women.”

Moore began dating his wife Kayla around this time, according to Ziegler. “He dated her. He married her, and they’ve been married about 35 years. They’re blessed with a wonderful marriage and his wife Kayla is 14 years younger than Moore.”

Asked whether or not the report would upend Moore’s campaign, Ziegler predicted that Alabama voters would be angrier at the Washington Post for “desperately trying to get something negative” than Moore for his dalliances with teenage girls decades ago.

“He’s clean as a hound’s tooth,” Ziegler claimed, before relying on Scripture to defend Moore.

“Take the Bible. Zachariah and Elizabeth for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” Ziegler said choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

“There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

Fiddling kids is fine cos Mary and Joseph.

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 21:37

Sorry posted went wrong but you get the idea.

cozietoesie · 09/11/2017 22:07

Goodness.

lionheart · 09/11/2017 22:07

So sorry Natsku. Flowers

lionheart · 09/11/2017 22:26

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Shock

Alwaysinmyheart · 09/11/2017 22:35

Cheeky place mark

Anyone watching Angry White and American on C4? Gary Younge is interviewing that racist fuckwit Richard Spencer, claiming slavery benefitted black pp...Shock

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:37

Daniel Dale @ ddale8
"It was 40 years ago," Alabama Marion County GOP chair David Hall tells me. "I really don't see the relevance of it. He was 32. She was supposedly 14. She's not saying that anything happened other than they kissed."

Me: "The story said she said he tried to get her to touch his genitals." Hall: "Well, she said he may have TRIED to. But we're talking something that somebody SAID happened, 40 years ago. It wouldn't affect whether or not I'd vote for him."

More Hall: “The other women that they’re using to corrobrate: number one, one was 19, one was 17, one was 16. There’s nothing wrong with a 30-year-old single male asking a 19-year-old, a 17-year-old, or a 16-year-old out on a date."

After a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.

"I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," he says. "I'm not saying I support what he did."

“I really can’t comment until I have a chance to digest it," says Tallapoosa County GOP chairwoman Denise Bates. “Nothing to say," says Marengo County chairman Robert Duke.

Alabama Mobile County GOP chairman John Skipper: "It does not really surprise me. I think it is a typical Democratic - Democrat - ploy to discredit Judge Moore, a sincere, honest, trustworthy individual."

"These allegations that surfaced today - to my knowledge, they're all bunk. No credibility whatsoever," Mobile County Republican chairman John Skipper tells me.

If these allegations against Moore were true, Mitch McConnell's anti-Moore allies would have obviously found them and released them during the primary, Mobile County Republican chairman John Skipper tells me.

RedToothBrush · 09/11/2017 22:38

Moore will be elected.

I'm watching Angry, White and American. It's stunning.

TheClaws · 10/11/2017 00:14

Stephen Miller has been interviewed by Mueller.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/359705-stephen-miller-interviewed-in-mueller-probe-report

TheClaws · 10/11/2017 00:15

Oh, sorry, Lion I didn’t see you had already posted that!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 01:21

Moore fundraises off of report alleging relationships with teenagers

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/09/roy-moore-teenagers-report-fundraising-244761

Alabama Republican Roy Moore sent a fundraising email Thursday afternoon asking for donations to combat the "Obama-Clinton Machine's liberal media lapdogs," hours after The Washington Post published accounts from four women who said that Moore pursued relationships with them when he was in his 30s and they were teenagers.

A defiant Moore, who faced calls from fellow Republicans to end his Senate campaign Thursday, cast the story as a political conspiracy against him and called the story "lies," asking "God-fearing conservatives" to help him carry on.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 01:25

Steve Deace
Judge Moore's wife, Kayla, informed me today they used the word "defamation" in their statement for a reason -- they intend to pursue legal action against the Washington Post.

Christina Wilkie
@christinawilkie
New: Roy Moore’s wife says he intends to sue the Washington Post for “defamation” >>>

Under U.S. law, truth is an absolute defense against a defamation lawsuit.

Defamation is a false statement of fact. So, if the statement is accurate, then by definition it is not defamatory.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 01:41

Ryan J. Reilly
@ryanjreilly
So Paul Manafort's lawyer said he's working w/ a Florida company developing secure, "virtually indestructible" cell phones.

But the head of the company he's almost certainly referencing tells me they ended relationship w/ Manafort months ago.

🤔

SCOOP:

It Sure Seems Like Paul Manafort Is Misleading A Federal Judge So He Can Winter In Florida

The former Trump campaign manager says he's working with a company developing secure, virtually indestructible phones. That's questionable.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a047884e4b03deac08bc166/amp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 01:44

DemWrite 🇺🇸🇵🇷
DemWrite 🇺🇸🇵🇷
@DemWrite
Fun fact: Stephen Miller, Trump's Sr Advisor, was mentored as a Duke undergrad by then-PhD candidate & now alt-right leader Richard Spencer.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 01:46

Amy Siskind
@Amy_Siskind
Guess the chaos and Trump/Kelly deflection worked. We’ve stopped talking about the green berets killed in Niger.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 06:00

The Associated Press
@AP
BREAKING: White House says Trump believes Moore 'will do the right thing and step aside' if sexual misconduct allegations are true.

Ben Jacobs
@Bencjacobs
Worth noting that the White House's official position is that every woman who has accused Trump of sexual harassment is lying

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 06:17

This is worth a watch for the background of alabama politics and the low, low bar they’ve already set themselves to date

Moore scandal extends tumultuous streak in Alabama politics www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/moore-scandal-extends-tumultuous-streak-in-alabama-politics-1092779587958

Roussette · 10/11/2017 06:49

What a bunch of disgusting cowards. Their silence speaks volumes

edition.cnn.com/2017/11/09/politics/mcconnell-silence-moore/index.html?sr=twCNN110917mcconnell-silence-moore1128PMVODtopVideo

Roussette · 10/11/2017 06:53

Redtoothbrush I'm tempted to watch that on catchup... is it worth watching, am I going to throw things at the telly?!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 07:02

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
BREAKING: Team Trump is CHANGING its line on the Ritz Moscow: in JANUARY, a Trump advisor told THE DAILY CALLER that EMIN AGALAROV concocted a 5-woman blackmail plot and Trump had guards posted all night. NOW, Schiller says it WASN'T Agalarov and NO ONE was guarding Trump's door.

2/ This change in story is no coincidence: Schiller's tale now exculpates (removes blame from) Agalarov—a Putin agent Trump and allies don't want to betray—while exculpating Schiller (because he wasn't present) and ensuring Congress doesn't go looking for other "guard" witnesses.

3/ Neither of these lies works—Mueller will cut through them like tissue-paper—but we can clearly see that the new lie being told by Trump's allies is a bit smarter than the old one, because it limits potential witnesses while protecting all the Kremlin agents Trump befriended.

The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 10/11/2017 07:09

[cant read the source material so standards disclaimers]

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
@olgaNYC1211
Omfg!! Can someone explain why the @StateDept is paying $2.8 Million to Elite Security Holdings owned by a ‘Former’ Russian Intel General to guard our Embassies and staff in Russia. I have now seen it all 🤦🏼‍♀️

t.co/eUE5Nk4QR7?amp=1

Vive la Resistance
@stanimals
Is this a new arrangement after Trump took office?

Olga_Lautman NYC ✨
@olgaNYC1211
Yes! Recently signed

The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
Natsku · 10/11/2017 08:26

Fucking hell, so because grown men married teenage girls a couple of thousand years ago its perfectly fine for a grown man to have sexual contact with a teenage girl 40 years ago?! Urgh.

Minimammoth · 10/11/2017 08:36

Thank you for all the updates and revelations everyone. I was heartened to read today that Congress are reviewing the presidential power to launch a nuclear strike without consultation. Hurry up please.

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