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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3073837-Manafort-Destiny-Trump-continued?pg=1

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PerkingFaintly · 17/11/2017 10:19

Oh look, the same muddying-the-waters technique we've seen before: flood the environment with fakeness and people won't trust the real.

'Morning Joe' blasts fake Washington Post 'Bernie Bernstein' robocall: 'So anti-Semitic'
thehill.com/homenews/media/360429-morning-joe-blasts-fake-washington-post-bernie-bernstein-robocall-so-anti

"And there seems to be some dirty tricks happening in Alabama meant to discredit The Washington Post’s reporting on allegations involving Roy Moore and teenage girls," she continued. "Listen to this voicemail a pastor says he received yesterday.”

The program then played a voicemail from the person falsely claiming to be a Post reporter.

"Hi, this is Bernie Bernstein. I’m a reporter for The Washington Post calling to find out if anyone at this address is a female between the ages of 54 to 57 years old willing to make damaging remarks about candidate Roy Moore for a reward of between $5,000 and $7,000 dollars," says the caller. "We will not be fully investigating these claims. However, we will make a written report."
...
Washington Post executive editor Marty Baron said the robocall has "no relationship to reality."

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 10:33

I also think that there'll be fake #MeToo stories/victims that will be planted and then "exposed", which will serve to discredit all of the bravery and testimony of real victims coming forward and will help stop what little accountability the perpetrators may have faced Sad

PerkingFaintly · 17/11/2017 10:34

There's a suggestion the Russians are going to put out obviously fake pee pee tapes for the same reason, I read recently.

(Can't remember the article, but think it was one of the Christopher Steele dossier ones linked from here.)

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PerkingFaintly · 17/11/2017 10:48

Sorry, I'm trying to find the link for my post about fake pee pee tapes.

Otherwise ignore it, as I don't want to be part of the problem by spreading completely unsupported rumour!

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PerkingFaintly · 17/11/2017 11:29

Here it is.

Spies Suspect Kremlin is Pushing Dozens of Fake Trump Sex Tapes
observer.com/2017/11/spy-circles-suspect-kremlin-is-behind-dozens-of-fake-trump-sex-tapes/

As many as a dozen intelligence services worldwide, on four continents, are in possession of some sort of "Trump tape" featuring sexual escapades of a controversial nature
...
Many of the "Trump tapes" floating around in spy circles worldwide cannot be verified, while some of them are obvious fakes. The Western spy agency that's holding a Trump tape they're pretty sure is real has also been approached two other times with tapes that were less solid—and one of them was transparently fake.

It's obvious to savvy Western counterspies that someone is spreading fake Trump tapes—not all of them high quality—to muddy the waters. The obvious suspect, of course, is the Kremlin. Since the Russians know all about the President Trump's decades of personal antics, including what kompromat exists on him, they appear to be pushing dubious and unverifiable tapes, some of them obviously fake, to create chaos and confusion.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 12:50

Papadopoulos claimed Trump phone call and larger campaign role

In interviews with a Greek newspaper last year, the former Trump campaign adviser boasted of conversations with Trump and a 'blank check' promise of a future U.S. government job

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/17/george-papadopoulos-trump-greece-russia-245668

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 13:17

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
NBC News investigation finds the Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower was riddled with brokers, customers and investors linked to drug trafficking and international crime.

www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/panama-tower-carries-trump-s-name-ties-organized-crime-n821706?cid=eml_nbn_20171117

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 13:21

The Hill‏
@thehill
Russia blocks US-led UN resolution to investigate use of chemical weapons in Syria hill.cm/k0tv3En

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 13:28

Russia vetoes US-led effort to renew chemical weapons inquiry in Syria

thehill.com/policy/international/360770-russia-vetoes-us-led-effort-to-renew-chemical-weapons-inquiry-in-syria

Russia moved on Thursday to block a United Nations Security Council resolution that would have renewed an investigation into the use of chemical weapons in Syria, dealing a fatal blow to the U.S.-led effort.

The vote to renew the Joint Investigative Mechanism (JIM), the inquiry by the U.N. and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, came as its mandate was set to expire at midnight on Thursday.

Russia agreed to the creation of the JIM in 2015 but has cast doubt on its findings, including the conclusion that the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad launched chemical attacks on his own people. Assad is a key Russian ally in the Middle East.

Russia's veto on Thursday amounted to its 10th veto on action in Syria since the country's civil war erupted in 2011. The move prompted widespread condemnation from other Security Council members, including Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., who introduced the resolution to renew the inquiry.

"By using the veto to kill a mechanism in Syria that holds users of chemical weapons accountable, Russia proves they cannot be trusted or credible as we work towards a political solution in Syria," Haley wrote on Twitter Thursday after the vote.

Matthew Rycroft, the United Kingdom's U.N. representative, criticized the veto as an effort to shield Assad's government from accountability.

"Make no mistake, the JIM has succeeded. It is Russia that has failed," Rycroft said.

The Security Council is made up of 15 countries, including five permanent members: the U.S., the U.K., France, China and Russia. For a resolution to pass, it must receive nine favorable votes from the panel's member states, including all of the permanent members.

Russia had initially introduced its own draft resolution to renew the inquiry. But that version drew little support among the council's members, and it was withdrawn on Thursday shortly before the vote.

Earlier on Thursday, President Trump took to Twitter to urge the Security Council to renew the inquiry's mandate, saying it was necessary "to ensure that Assad Regime does not commit mass murder with chemical weapons ever again."

The Syrian government agreed in 2013 to get rid of its stockpile of chemical weapons under a deal brokered by the U.S. and Russia. But the JIM has placed blame on the Syrian government for carrying out chemical attacks earlier this year.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 14:21

Amy Siskind‏
@Amy_Siskind

Hillary goes there & I am with her based on what I am documenting in The Weekly List: 2016 may not have been legit.

Hillary Clinton on Trump’s Election: “There Are Lots of Questions About Its Legitimacy”

In an exclusive interview with Mother Jones, Clinton says Russian interference and GOP voter suppression efforts may have cost her the presidency.

www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/11/hillary-clinton-on-trumps-election-there-are-lots-of-questions-about-its-legitimacy/

cozietoesie · 17/11/2017 14:33

45 will have to respond to that. Wait for the tweet.

cozietoesie · 17/11/2017 15:48

And for Lweji. (With fingers crossed.)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 17:35

Christina Wilkie
@christinawilkie
Kayla Moore: Trump owes Roy Moore a thank you for distracting attention from Trump's Russia probe.

“You notice you're not hearing a lot about Russia…"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 17:41

Rob Goldstone ready to come to U.S. and talk to Mueller

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/rob-goldstone-ready-come-u-s-talk-mueller-n821826

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 17:44

Erm wtf

Eric Heisig
@eheisig
.@BillForOhio, a sitting Ohio Supreme Court justice and Democratic gubernatorial candidate, apparently posted on Facebook about his sexual escapades.

"In the last fifty years I was sexually intimate with approximately 50 very attractive females."

The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 17:52

Sahil Kapur
Sahil Kapur
@sahilkapur
MIAMI (AP)—Florida Democratic Party chairman resigns after women complained about his sexually inappropriate comments, demeanor.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 17:54

Stone appeared to know Franken allegation was coming

thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming?amp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 18:52

Jenna McLaughlin
@JennaMC_Laugh
A cherry of news on top: Kushner told congressional investigators during testimony that neither he or anyone at the campaign spoke with Wikileaks or Julian Assange.

How Jared Kushner’s Newspaper Became a Favorite Outlet for WikiLeaks Election Hacks

The New York Observer, owned by Trump’s son-in-law, was a friendly outlet for the 2016 Russian hackers.

foreignpolicy.com/2017/11/17/how-jared-kushners-newspaper-became-a-favorite-outlet-for-wikileaks-election-hacks/amp/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 20:30

Trump admin. began accepting permits to import lion trophies last month

abcnews.go.com/amp/US/trump-admin-began-accepting-permits-import-lion-trophies/story?id=51208529

lionheart · 17/11/2017 21:27

Natsku Flowers

cozietoesie · 17/11/2017 22:19

It wasn’t a very good ‘drawing’, lion. Grin

(Not that I look for repetitions for ‘improvement’ purposes.)

badbadhusky · 17/11/2017 22:38

I’ll put my hands up. The penis sky writing made me laugh. A lot. Probably a bit too much. 😂 Still, laughter is in short supply these days so I’ll take it where I can find it.