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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 17/11/2017 23:13

Kushner received emails from Sergei Millian — an alleged dossier source who was in touch with George Papadopoulos

uk.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-emails-sergei-millian-dossier-papadopoulous-russia-2017-11?r=US&IR=T

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 00:17

The shoes keep on dropping!

Kushner failed to disclose outreach from Putin ally to Trump campaign

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/kushner-failed-disclose-outreach-putin-ally-trump-campaign-n822021

cozietoesie · 18/11/2017 00:18

A dare in the mess, I suspect, bad. Wink

Thanks, Pain.

cozietoesie · 18/11/2017 00:21

Junior exercising his normal........savoir faire, I see?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 00:23

NBC News: One source familiar with Kushner's congressional testimony said he denied, under oath, that he was familiar with attempts by WikiLeaks to contact the campaign. But Kushner was sent an email by Trump Jr. about his conversations with WikiLeaks.

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
"The email also suggests Torshin was seeking to meet with a high-level Trump campaign official during the convention, and that he may have had a message for Trump from Putin"

@Amy_Siskind
While Kushner told Dearborn etc not to accept Torshin's offer, Torshin was seated with Donald Jr at an NRA dinner.

In last graf, NBC confirms @JennaMC_Laugh scoop from earlier: "Kushner denied, under oath, that he was familiar with any attempts by WikiLeaks to contact the campaign."

cozietoesie · 18/11/2017 00:26

They’re circling Junior and Kushner, aren’t they? Smile

lionheart · 18/11/2017 00:52

Yep. Wondering, as usual about the sources for this drip, drip, drip.

cozietoesie · 18/11/2017 00:54

Indeed. I’m wondering how many Apachesources are out there. Smile

badbadhusky · 18/11/2017 01:04

Interestingly Ivanka seems not be in the frame. Cynic in me can’t decide whether Daddy kept her out of it/clean for the succession plan/authoritarian dynasty, or whether proper jobs in the campaign were too important to give to a girl.

lionheart · 18/11/2017 01:13

Yes, but it is difficult to believe she didn't have some idea what was going on--they are too sloppy, even in public.

www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/christopher-steele-robert-mueller-trump-russia-dossier

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 01:21

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Put big game trophy decision on hold until such time as I review all conservation facts. Under study for years. Will update soon with Secretary Zinke. Thank you!

lionheart · 18/11/2017 01:33

The thought that he might be able to 'review all conservation facts' makes me laugh: Trump's usual blend of delusions and grandeur and duplicity.

So many meetings.

apnews.com/73a06aa400b3493fa63eaa90c78ffee0

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 01:34

Moscow meeting in June 2017 under scrutiny in Trump probe

apnews.com/73a06aa400b3493fa63eaa90c78ffee0

WASHINGTON (AP) — Earlier this year, a Russian-American lobbyist and another businessman discussed over coffee in Moscow an extraordinary meeting they had attended 12 months earlier: a gathering at Trump Tower with President Donald Trump’s son, his son-in-law and his then-campaign chairman.

The Moscow meeting in June, which has not been previously disclosed, is now under scrutiny by investigators who want to know why the two men met in the first place and whether there was some effort to get their stories straight about the Trump Tower meeting just weeks before it would become public, The Associated Press has learned.

Congressional investigators have questioned both men — lobbyist Rinat Akhmetshin and Ike Kaveladze, a business associate of a Moscow-based developer and former Trump business partner — and obtained their text message communications, people familiar with the investigation told the AP.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team also has been investigating the 2016 Trump Tower meeting, which occurred weeks after Trump had clinched the Republican presidential nomination and which his son attended with the expectation of receiving damaging information about Democrat Hillary Clinton. A grand jury has already heard testimony about the meeting, which in addition to Donald Trump Jr., also included Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law, and his then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

The focus of the congressional investigators was confirmed by three people familiar with their probe, including two who demanded anonymity to discuss the sensitive inquiry.

One of those people said Akhmetshin told congressional investigators that he asked for the Moscow meeting with Kaveladze to argue that they should go public with the details of the Trump Tower meeting before they were caught up in a media maelstrom. Akhmetshin also told the investigators that Kaveladze said people in Trump’s orbit were asking about Akhmetshin’s background, the person said.

Akhmetshin’s lawyer, Michael Tremonte, declined to comment.

Scott Balber, a lawyer for Kaveladze, confirmed that his client and Akhmetshin met over coffee and that the Trump Tower meeting a year earlier was “obviously discussed.” But Balber denied his client had been contacted by associates of Trump before he took the meeting with Akhmetshin, or had been aware of plans to disclose the Trump Tower gathering to the U.S. government.

Balber said the men did not discuss strategy or how to line up their stories, and did not meet in anticipation of the Trump Tower meeting becoming public and attracting a barrage of news media attention.

He said Akhmetshin did convey during coffee the possibility that his name could come out in connection with the Trump Tower meeting and cause additional, unwanted scrutiny given that he had been linked in earlier news reports to Russian military intelligence, coverage that Akhmetshin considered unfair. Akhmetshin has denied ongoing ties with Russian intelligence, but acknowledged that he served in the Soviet military in the late 1980s as part of a counterintelligence unit.

“That was the impetus,” Balber said of the men’s get-together. “It had absolutely nothing to do with anticipation of the meeting coming out in the press.”

The meeting in Moscow occurred during a tumultuous time for the administration. Mueller had been appointed as special counsel weeks earlier following the firing in May of FBI Director James Comey, and associates of Trump were under pressure to disclose any contacts they had with Russians during the campaign.

The June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower first became public on July 8 in a report in The New York Times.

The White House initially said the meeting, which also involved a Russian lawyer who for years has advocated against U.S. sanctions of Russia, was primarily about an adoption program, but days after the story was published, Trump Jr. released emails showing he took the meeting after being told he would receive damaging information on Clinton as part of a Russian government effort to aide his father’s candidacy.

Mueller’s investigation has included scrutiny of the White House’s drafting of the initial incomplete statement.

As part of their inquiry, congressional investigators are reviewing copies of the text messages between the two men that were turned over, Balber said. He declined to say what the text messages showed. One person familiar with the messages said they reflect the logistics of the meeting during a trip by Akhmetshin to Moscow.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 01:41

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1

Sessions, who recused himself from the Russia probe, jokes about his campaign contacts with Russians during an event at the Mayflower Hotel: "Is Ambassador Kislyak in the room?... Anybody been to Russia?" (via CSPAN)

mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/931636896714969089/video/1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 02:21

Think I’m going to be in need of Maddow recapping it all!

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 03:14

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin
Re: This banker, Alexander Torshin, who tried to set up a meeting with Trump and Putin through Kushner: The Daily Beast reported in March that he met with NRA reps and Sheriff David Clarke in Moscow in December 2015. (link: thebea.st/2irk5zt)

Roussette · 18/11/2017 08:09

I've just read Trump's about-turn on elephants. My problem is... I think he makes knee jerk decisions on Obama or any policies, then due to public outcry, he tweets a reverse of his decision to bask in the glory of his misguided fanbase thanking him and saying how wise he is.

I've just seen all these tweets saying thank you our President, you are a President who listens to the people, I am so proud of you that you changed your mind, our children will look up to you.

Bleurgh...

TheNorthWestPawsage · 18/11/2017 08:12

Just wanted to say huge thanks again to Pain for keeping the home fires burning! (And, of course, all you other warriors too)
We're off to see DH's family in the US for Thanksgiving next week. (I feel like I'm going into a war zone!£

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 08:47

The jester (he spells his name in a leet way that I’m not going to attempt) has been saying all week that he’s going to unveil something to help counter bots.

He previously did this

American vigilante hacker sends Russia a warning
money.cnn.com/2016/10/22/technology/russian-foreign-ministry-hacked/index.html

He revealed his latest project last night and it’s a new social media site where accounts from certain countries - Russia, North Korea, China, Iran, Pakistan and
Syria - and also ban particular vpns and proxy servers. I see what they’re trying to do but it seems a shame (and discriminatory) to block whole countries.

The website is counter.social

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 08:53

northwest I am severely hungover this morning, having had a rare night out last night, and was up way later than I’m used to (but still couldn’t get off Twitter Blush ) Will be paying the price for that later, especially when two small, excited, loud children return home from their sleepover with grandma.

Maybe you can see your trip as a counter intelligence recon and give us first hand accounts of the data you gather (would that help to see it as less emotionally exhausting, if you treated it as a social science study)?

Lweji · 18/11/2017 09:15

Donald Scrooge. (Too early? It's still November!)

Anyway, remember it's coming the time for that man who lives up there close to the North Pole and hangs out with reindeer. And his name is...

Note: I don't think he was that much better when young, though. The seeds were there and it looks like he said what he thought people wanted to hear.
lionheart · 18/11/2017 12:57

It is infuriating Roussette. I guess those gushing responses to his elephant moment can't all be bots.

Northwest, be stealthy, be strong (and report back to us). Smile

Also, make sure you have access to Gin.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/11/2017 15:40

Natasha Bertrand‏Verified account
@NatashaBertrand

Full statement from Jared Kushner’s lawyer, who does not seem happy that Grassley and Feinstein made their original letter re: missing Kushner docs public...

twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/931896788457525248

cozietoesie · 18/11/2017 15:46

I’ll say........Smile

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