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The zephyrs of change. Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 08/11/2017 18:17

Republicans starting to feel the breeze as diverse Dems have a good election day.

Six lessons learned from US Democrat wins
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41920434

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3073837-Manafort-Destiny-Trump-continued?pg=1

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cozietoesie · 14/11/2017 00:51

“Two companies, Realtor.com and Keurig, have pulled advertisements from Fox News host Sean Hannity’s programme after he interviewed Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore.”

From the Independent.

TheClaws · 14/11/2017 01:02

Guardian piece on Trump’s beautiful relationship with a ruthless dictator who has bragged about personally throwing a person to his death from a helicopter, amongst other murders and brutalities.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/13/trump-hails-great-relationship-with-philippines-duterte

cozietoesie · 14/11/2017 01:29

Well he doesn’t much care about human rights...........

TheClaws · 14/11/2017 02:02

GOP senators, including McConnell, mobilising against Moore.

thehill.com/homenews/senate/360218-republican-senators-wrestle-with-their-roy-moore-problem

cozietoesie · 14/11/2017 02:04

It’s not a formal/legal requirement, lion. (And Jared has a joint JD/MBA qualification.) Sad

TheClaws · 14/11/2017 02:04

Or humans, Cozie.

TheClaws · 14/11/2017 02:06

This tweet is confusing to me. Did Trump understand the point of his tour? Rather than, primarily MAGA, wasn’t it about foreign policy and relations? Happy to be schooled on this one.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
13h13 hours ago
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Will be leaving the Philippines tomorrow after many days of constant mtgs & work in order to #MAGA! My promises are rapidly being fulfilled.

cozietoesie · 14/11/2017 02:09

No. Smile

TheClaws · 14/11/2017 04:16

Love this. (Note: the image is blank.)

Seth Abramson‏Verified account
@SethAbramson
Following Following @SethAbramson
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Here's a carefully itemized list of all the EXCULPATORY evidence—evidence tending to prove INNOCENCE—that's been located in the Trump-Russia probe since it began last summer (as compiled by seasoned criminal investigators, attorneys and journalists in print and online reporting):

The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:00

Lots of news from last night!

On wikileaks and donny boy jr:

Charles Johnson
@Green_Footballs
Julian Assange accused The Atlantic of deceptively editing his messages with Trump Junior. Then Trump Jr. tweeted out the whole sleazy chain of messages and confirmed everything in the Atlantic article lgf.bz/2iUYzlV

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Here is the entire chain of messages with @wikileaks (with my whopping 3 responses) which one of the congressional committees has chosen to selectively leak. How ironic! 1/3

[photos of statements here mobile.twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/930228239494209536 ]

Natasha Bertrand
Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
It’s worth noting that it is very easy for the sender of a DM to delete it. Only way to be sure that Trump Jr (whose lawyer hasn’t responded to my q about this) published full exchange is for Wikileaks to release its copy. But Assange is now saying WL doesn’t keep those records.

Also

Trump mentioned Wikileaks 164 times in last month of election, now claims it didn’t impact one voter

thinkprogress.org/trump-mentioned-wikileaks-164-times-in-last-month-of-election-now-claims-it-didnt-impact-one-40aa62ea5002/amp/

Natasha Bertrand
@NatashaBertrand
James Clapper tells @andersoncooper that he “knew about the connection between Russia and WikiLeaks,” but did not know about the communication between Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks. Seems like there’s a lot he didn’t know when he said in Jan. that he’d seen no evidence of collusion.

Bryan Logan
@BWLogan
Astute point here from @NatashaBertrand: "Near-daily revelations about the Trump campaign's contact with Russia and Russia-linked entities ... is on track to create the type of crisis in American democracy Putin may have wanted all along.”

amp.businessinsider.com/wikileaks-urged-trump-to-contest-the-2016-election-results-if-he-lost-2017-11

Also

Andrea Mitchell
Andrea Mitchell
@mitchellreports
From @VP office tonight: “The Vice President was never aware of anyone associated with the campaign being in contact with WikiLeaks. He first learned of this news from a published report earlier tonight."

Renato Mariotti
Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
This is interesting, because it doesn’t seem necessary. Is Pence trying to distance himself from Trump and his son?

Elizabeth Picciuto 🌱
Elizabeth Picciuto 🌱
@epicciuto
Replying to @renato_mariotti
I thought he had specifically denied campaign ties to Wikileaks

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
I think the closest he came is when he said that the campaign was not “in cahoots” with Wikileaks back in October 2016. Even if that was inaccurate, making a false statement to the press is generally not a crime. Why draw attention to it?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:14

On possible doj appointment of special counsel to look into HRC

Paula Reid
Paula Reid
@PaulaReidCBS
NEW: AG Sessions considers special counsel to address concerns about Uranium One & gives R's new line of q's for Sessions hearing tomorrow.

Renato Mariotti
Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
THREAD: What does the Sessions letter about considering the appointment of a special counsel mean? Should the public be concerned that he will do so?
1/ In the tweet linked above, @PaulaReidCBS posted a letter from Attorney General Sessions regarding the appointment of a special counsel to investigate Hillary Clinton, James Comey, and other matters.
2/ There is already a good analysis of the letter by @benjaminwittes in this thread, which is worth reading. He reads the letter as a signal that Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein will not appoint a special counsel:

mobile.twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/930261353515937792

3/ If you don't have time to read the entire thread, which analyzes the letter (it's actually written by Assistant AG Boyd, who works for Sessions), here is his conclusion:

Benjamin Wittes
@benjaminwittes
^Replying to @benjaminwittes, @PaulaReidCBS, and 4 others
In short, I think this letter is best understood not as a hint to Trump that Sessions will do as the President wants, but as a way of shunting the matter to a mechanism that will enable him not to act—or, to be more precise, that will enable Rod Rosenstein not to act.^

4/ I think his thread is well-written and reasoned, and there is something to his argument. But here is the important paragraph in his thread that makes most of his argument, in my view:

He can't tell them he has investigated these matters and found them insubstantial, because he hasn't investigated them. He can't tell them he doesn't take seriously concerns by the Chairman of his oversight committee, because, well, you don't do that.

5/ There is certainly something to what he's saying. Sessions (either himself or through his subordinate) can't tell Republicans in Congress that their concerns are silly, particularly given that Trump has encouraged investigation of the matters in Congress's letters to Sessions.

6/ But many of the issues raised in the letter are silly, at least as starting points for a criminal investigation. For one thing, many of them are past the statute of limitations for federal crimes, which is generally five years.

7/ Other things that are raised in the Congressional letter are not crimes at all, such as the FBI's reliance on a dossier for leads in an investigation. It's unclear why the DOJ would look into whether the FBI relied on a particular piece of evidence in an investigation.

8/ It is also unusual for the FBI to reopen investigations that are closed, particularly without a very good reason to do so. The letters from Congress don't provide any specific reasons to reopen FBI investigations into Uranium One, Clinton's emails, and so on.

9/ It is also unusual for DOJ (or the FBI) to investigate its own internal decision making processes absent evidence of wrongdoing. The letters from Congress do not even make specific allegations of wrongdoing by DOJ officials regarding immunity or charging decisions.

10/ The letters from Congress also provide no rationale regarding why a special counsel should be appointed. 28 CFR 600.1 limits appointment of a special counsel to cases that "would present a conflict of interest for the Department or other extraordinary circumstances."

11/ In short, on their face, the letters from Congress contain several obvious deficiencies. Yet the letter from DOJ does not point out any of them or even address that it will consider whether some of the matters are not crimes, past the statute of limitations, etc.

12/ The fact that Sessions is not calling out any of this suggests that he is taking seriously an investigation of these issues. Perhaps @benjaminwittes is right and Sessions is finding a polite way to stay "no" to Congress. But that doesn't seem likely to me.

13/ It seems more likely, in my view, that he's trying to find a way to give Congress at least some of what it wants. There's no reason to appoint a special counselSessions has no conflict as to Comey or Clintonso I suspect DOJ will investigate some piece of this itself.

14/ I hope I'm wrong, because this appears to be an effort to manufacture a criminal investigation against the President's political opponent. But Congress (and the press) should ask tough questions in case I'm right. /end

And

The New York Times
@nytimes
Jeff Sessions asked officials to look into whether a special prosecutor is needed to investigate the Clinton Foundation
t.co/saZZktBgZP?amp=1

Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
If the AG bends to pressure from President Trump and his allies, and appoints a special counsel to investigate Trump’s vanquished rival, it could spell the end of the DOJ as an independent institution.

The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
The zephyrs of change. Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:24

On the never ending fountain of shit that is Roy Moore

He signed a girl in schools yearbook with a creepy message as Roy Moore DA [district attorney]

Richard Madan
@RichardMadan
NEW - Roy Moore responds to Beverly Young Nelson's accusations of sexual assault: "absolutely false. I never did what she said I did, I don't know the woman, I don't know anything about her, I don't know where the restaurant is or was"

Daniel Dale
@ddale8
So Moore denies knowing either the restaurant or the woman whose yearbook he very much appears to have signed with the name of the restaurant.

www.thedailybeast.com/roy-moore-signed-latest-accusers-high-school-yearbook

Also

Ben Jacobs
Ben Jacobs
@Bencjacobs
And the local Alabama paper just came out with a story with local residents backing up all the allegations against Moore

Gadsden locals say Moore's predatory behavior at mall, restaurants not a secret

articles.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.amp

Christine Beswick
@bychristinebswk
Yikes. #RoyMoore was literally the mall schoolyard creeper guy your parents, and Gadsden mall cops warned you about. His entire town just blew him in, sickened people called victims liars. Here his wife sat the whole time doing the same, threatening suits. I shudder. #NoMoore

Also

MSNBC
@MSNBC
Ted Cruz pulls support for Roy Moore on.msnbc.com/2AEOEsO) on.msnbc.com/2AEOEsO

[Rand Paul is the only one who still endorses Moore]

Also Grin

Eric
@mypoophonked
If you go to RoyMooreGOP.com and expect to donate to his campaign... you are in for a surprise. It now directs you to donation pages for sexual abuse charities 😂🔥😂🔥

While you're there, donate in #RoyMoore's name and do some good!

#RoyMooreStories #DonateInRoysName

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:28

Sorry, meant to add re Moore at malls

Business Insider
@businessinsider
Roy Moore was reportedly once banned from an Alabama shopping mall for bothering teen girls

amp.businessinsider.com/roy-moore-gadsden-mall-alabama-teen-girls-2017-11

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:36

On Bannon versus McConnell

The New York Times
The New York Times
@nytimes
Bannon: "I have an objective that Mitch McConnell will not be majority leader"
McConnell: "I laughed. Ha-ha."

mobile.nytimes.com/redirect?to-mobile=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F11%2F11%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fmitch-mcconnell-steve-bannon-trump.html%3Freferer%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Fu3t4CjxkeR%3Famp%3D1

And Stephen K. Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, is vowing to depose him, telling The New York Times that “I have an objective that Mitch McConnell will not be majority leader, and I believe will be done before this time next year.” Mr. McConnell, he added, “has to go.”

To that, Mr. McConnell laughed. “You can write that down,” he said in an interview on Friday. “I laughed. Ha-ha. That’s a perfect response.”

Also

GOP megadonor Adelson publicly breaks with Bannon

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/adelson-bannon-republicans-midterms-244866

Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, the GOP’s most prominent megadonor, is publicly breaking with former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon over his efforts to oust Republican incumbents in 2018.

“The Adelsons will not be supporting Steve Bannon’s efforts,” said Andy Abboud, an Adelson spokesman. “They are supporting Mitch McConnell 100 percent. For anyone to infer anything otherwise is wrong.”

PerkingFaintly · 14/11/2017 06:49

Wow, Vlad's feelings are going to be hurt again, poor lamb:

Theresa May accuses Vladimir Putin of election meddling
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41973043

"Theresa May has launched her strongest attack on Russia yet, accusing Moscow of meddling in elections and carrying out cyber espionage.
Speaking at the Lord Mayor's banquet in London, the prime minister said Vladimir Putin's government was trying to "undermine free societies".
Mrs May said they were "planting fake stories" to "sow discord in the West".
...
"Russia has repeatedly violated the national airspace of several European countries and mounted a sustained campaign of cyber espionage and disruption.
"This has included meddling in elections and hacking the Danish Ministry of Defence and the Bundestag among many others."

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:52

Except she avoided mentioning Brexit Confused

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 06:54

I meant Hmm

I wonder why she might not want to question the legitimacy of Brexit

PerkingFaintly · 14/11/2017 06:55

RT (Russia Today) finally registers as a foreign agent in the US.

www.thedailybeast.com/news-outlet-formerly-known-as-russia-today-registers-as-foreign-agent

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 07:03

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I will be making a major statement from the @WhiteHouse upon my return to D.C. Time and date to be set

Chris Geidner
@chrisgeidner
Schrödinger’s Announcement

Everything except the topic, specifics, time, and date are set. But it will be “major.”

Trump: “I’m making a major statement when we get back to DC.”
Hicks: “On what?”
Trump: “I was about to ask you.”

[Trump is on the last day of his overseas trip, headed back to DC today and due back to the White House at 10:45p, per the schedule.]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 07:05

Lawmakers, US allies seek assurance that Trump won't rashly launch nuclear strike

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/14/politics/trump-nuclear-authority/index.html

PerkingFaintly · 14/11/2017 07:24

Yeah, not politically viable for May to mention any impact on the Brexit referendum.

But she has made this statement now, smack bang after Donnie's "my friend says he's insulted". I suppose it's a mark of how low my expectations are these days, that I'm pleasantly surprised she's done so.

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 07:29

I think there might be more going on

David Lammy
@DavidLammy
Interesting timing. What is about to come out? And why no mention of EU referendum?

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
Something v. strange going on..
Last week: Boris - ZERO evidence of Russian interference
Tonight: PM - the Russians interfered.
????
AND NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF BREXIT

Carole Cadwalladr
Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
Theresa May used tonight's speech to get ahead of the news. No?
So..what's the news??

lionheart · 14/11/2017 07:32

I'm thinking Jared is quite busy with his portfolio, cozie, but Ivanka is at a loose end.

lionheart · 14/11/2017 07:37

Neal Katyal‏Verified account

I drafted the Special Counsel regs. They require a "conflict of interest for the Dept or other extraordinary circumstances" I look fwd to learning what possible conflict of interest there is.AG Sessions boss Trump calling for a Spcl Counsel doesnt cut it.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 14/11/2017 07:43

Will they be able to ask Sessions questions about this when he testifies at the house judiciary’s Committee today?