To be terrified that this is the future for the UK? (Sorry, yes it's a Brexit one)

[Rainbunny]

The US Commerce Secretary just made a speech in which he demands that the UK scrap EU food standards on GM crops and animal farming standards after Brexit. Even more sinister were his words indicating that the USA expects to have influence in whatever Brexit deal the UK makes... "He said that it was critical that US interests must be taken into account when finalising an exit deal with the EU..!"

This is exactly what I've been afraid of and it looks to be coming true and the UK as a lone country will not be able to refuse whatever trade deal the USA demands. I get that people who voted leave are still happy they did but is this what they want to have happen?

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/us-brexit-eu-uk-trade-deal-wilbur-ross-commerce-secretary-imports-exports-european-union-a8040571.html

I presume the EY you are referring to is Ernst and Young ? Are you saying they have employed an additional 4,000 people in the UK this year or just that they currently do employ that number ?

I think a longer-term union that sets policy on things like human rights by consensus, is a safety net.

We have been members of the ECHR since way before the EU

We have been members of the ECHR since way before the EU

Yes sorry you are right, but then you agree with the principle?

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Yes sorry you are right, but then you agree with the principle?

I fully support the ECHR (we were founder members).

I don’t support the EU, or our membership of that. They are different.

The above link is from a tweet by EY asking if companies have thought about supply chain implications post brexit .

So was - how do you marry up coming out of the EU and the ECHR? The government has said we will not come under it any more.
No they haven’t.

“What is the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)?

The ECHR protects the human rights of people in countries that belong to the Council of Europe, which is a completely different organisation to the EU. The UK will still be signed up to the ECHR when it leaves the EU.”

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/our-human-rights-work/what-does-brexit-mean-equality-and-human-rights-uk

It’s a complex area. I took some time to understand it.

Theresa May had said that she wanted to come out of the ECHR but then backtracked on that. It may be that since she is no student of history she didn't realise that the UK were leading lights in drawing it up, or maybe she just got muddled. Who knows?

I believe the point being made is that a measure of control outside of democracy is not a bad thing. I think the courts were used as an example (though the Mail calls them traitors).

May was under fire over Abu Hamza and Abu Qatada so she blamed the ECHR - but remember this was way pre-referendum and May was a Remainer. It’s a different issue altogether.

I have no problem with the Courts and the ECHR acting as a check on the politicians.
I don’t accept the need for another set of EU politicians doing it.
In anticipation of the next usual question, yes I think the House of Lords is undemocratic and should be abolished- but I haven’t been given a referendum vote on that.

Actually the UK should aim for a Brexit agreement that is in the UK's best interest. Unfortunately it has become pretty obvious that our government is not doing what's best for the country.

Does Britain have enough leverage to aim for agreements with the UK's best interests in mind? I sincerely doubt it. Britain is in every aspect dependent on the world trade. There are barely any British owned companies, whatever business there is in the UK can be easily exported and established elsewhere. Plus, people need to eat and they want it cheap cheap cheap. With all the measures aimed at cutting the throats of the social welfare system recipients and lower income groups they won't care where their chicken comes from as long as the price tag is low enough so they can afford it. So chlorine chicken, here we come.

I don’t accept the need for another set of EU politicians doing it

You seem to be suggesting that there should be one layer of government. I think what you may want to think about is that the EU is confined to specific areas. Much as any international treaty. The changing of the terms being subject to our input.

makeourfuture
I find your tone a little condescending and the content patronising. I have thought about it - a lot, and concluded that since I was being offered a vote, I’d vote for the option I believed in. I didn’t vote for the party that delivered the referendum, but I did feel an obligation to participate. I resent the implication that the direction of my vote can only be the result of insufficient consideration. I have already demonstrated on this thread that I understand more about the ECHR than some folk. I’m not going to claim to everything about everything, but I do believe my opinion and my vote are valid in a democracy.

Not going to get into a debate with how many peoole in each age group voted

Though it must be high overall for every section

But if we dont know the answer then comments like A/ 2000 is a tad derisory, and b/ well really?

Are completely pointless, especially as the figures for the LACK of youth vote were based on the amount who voted for the last general election. Thats one of the ways the remain campaign fucked up...basing figures on past GE results when the turnout for the referendum was and should be a game changer

Agree with Rufus about the importance of turnout - research at the University of Leicester shows that a 7% lower turnout in England and Wales would have resulted in a Remain outcome.

www2.le.ac.uk/offices/press/press-releases/2017/august/greater-access-to-higher-education-could-have-reversed-eu-referendum-result-research-suggests

(Won’t mention the findings regarding access to Higher Education though )

YANBU

I'm terrified. I can't find a single positive to the Brexit vote. I'm worried about the cost of living, especially food.

For what it’s worth, I would have been in favour of extending the vote to 16 year olds, and I am generally in favour of 16 year olds having the vote.

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Im not in favour of lowering it to 16 for GE although im happy to think about it further

But i think that they should have been able to vote in the referendum

"I presume the EY you are referring to is Ernst and Young ? Are you saying they have employed an additional 4,000 people in the UK this year or just that they currently do employ that number ?"

This year Frumpety. Heres their annual report, issued yesterday.

"The firm also grew their employee base by around 4,000 people in the past year. Among them, EY’s new employees also included 1,500 student places and 130 apprenticeships. " This is UK only recruitment.

www.consultancy.uk/news/14448/ey-reports-strong-growth-in-revenue-and-consultant-count-across-uk-and-ireland

That was UK recruitment. 4000.

This is Ireland. "Meanwhile, in Ireland, EY reported even stronger growth, booking double-digit increases for the fourth consecutive year. The global firm’s Irish arm booked revenues of €247 million in the year to the end of June 2017. As with its UK presence, staff numbers also rose, having jumped up by 38% – including the recent intake of some 248 graduates "

Ive not bothered drilling down for the 38% figure increase in staff in Ireland, but itll be in there for those interested.