To alert you to the fact that Topshop just changed its policy to let men into the women's changing rooms

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Been made aware of this today: a 'gender fluid' man having a pop at Topshop because he wasn't allowed to use the women's changing rooms at their Manchester store:

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/927198660089339904

Topshop have now been quoted as apologising to him, and saying they've changed their policy to get rid of sex-segregated changing rooms altogether.

Another shop to strike off the list. Am I the only one worried this is past the point of no return?

I had a quick look in the search history and mentions of 'shemale' are generally in the context of husbands wanking off to 'shemale porn'.

Because, as with 'chicks with dicks', 'shemale' is usually used as a fetish, and not an insult.

sailorcherries

I’m not buying this how can you tell the sex of someone based on their appearance. 99% of the time is patently obvious.

And if it’s not obvious, then fine. Many transsexuals have shared their space with women over the years without without women batting an eyelid. But it’s been a courtesy, not a right.

As soon as it becomes a right, either culturally or legally, it’s a misogynist magnet.

Men who look like men, will take huge delight in violating women’s boundaries. The guy in the OP is just one such example.

I’m not talking about the majority of men, who are decent and have no interest in accessing women when vulnerable or dominating women in general.

So can just dispense with them. They won’t be the ones who are there.

Until people accept tbat gender and sex are intrinsically different, this argument will go round in circles. Sex segregation can exist alongside gender neutral integration of certain spaces, as I've said.

I'm tired of repeating that.

While you are boycotting Topshop please also boycott Asda, Tesco, Sainsburys, Dunnes, Sports Direct, JD Sports, Outfit, H&M, Urban Outfitters and many leisure facilities including popular resorts such as Haven and Centre Parcs (who also allow anyone to view).

Apparently Travis figured out he was neither man nor woman at the beginning of last year

twitter.com/travisalabanza/status/687419335883776001

And now we have to like it.

Why ASDA? They still have male and female toilets afaik, I used one this morning.

But that’s not true to say men only use the toilet to have a piss then leave.

I used to work in a well known high street store and our male toilets were a hot spot for cruising. We had a real problem with it and had to regularly phone the police. Men meeting in the middle of the day to have sex with other men in a public place.

Now the number of men who cruise public toilets is small, but it’s far more common than most people think and I don’t think having a unisex toilet would put them off.

Again I shall repeat my point that vulnerable young girls will not react in the same way a grown woman will if something happens. They probably won’t tel anyone, which predators will count on.

sailorcherries

Gender is nothing more than stereotypes. What on earth is the point of segregating anything on the basis of stereotypes?

I’m struggling to understand your reasoning.

If they change the womens loo in Asda to gender neutral I might just use the mens. Just to be difficult and irritating. It worked for Travis.

Scabbersly Asda changing rooms in George tend to only have one space with lockable cubicles (which is why other supermarkets have also been mentioned).

It isn't safe to have a man change next to me. It is. It has happened for years. Using a male only cubicled changing room was also safe.

So you agree travis was talking shite. Good. Why do you think he lied? What do you think is his agenda?

Only people tring on clothes were allowed in the changing rooms.

Not true. Really not. Many changing rooms are unsupervised. No-one checks who goes in.

oh well. I might stick to old granny shops in future. Travis won't give a shit about them for a few years.

datun I am making the point that segregation on the basis of gender is pointless, which is why facilities that you cannot tell the sex of someone based on their sexual organs, should not be segragated.

So private changing rooms - gender only is visible and used as the deciding factor. No need for separated gender spaces. Many shops and facilities have coped without.

Open plan changing rooms - sexual organs are apparent and the main deciding factor. Should stay segregated.

I don't know how many times I've said that but I'm finished now. It's just going round in circles.

A normal part of young girls developing is being able to go shopping with your friends unsupervised for the first time. Now this is something else that parents will have to consider before they agree to allow their daughters out alone for some independence.

battered men never sexually assaultes ne or made inappropriate sexually harrassing statements. That does not mean that those same men would not make transphobic remarks or engage in transphobic hate crime.
It is often percieved that, for mtf trans individuals, women are safer and more accepting.

Someone who is a sexual predator may not engage in transphobic hate crime. Someone who engages in transphobic hate crime isn't going to wank in the changing room next to you for the jollies.

But as an adult male this Travis bloke

Oops

Travis knows how to respond and call the police.

So private changing rooms - gender only is visible and used as the deciding factor.

But that’s wrong on both assertions. Of course you can tell, 99% of the time, whether someone is male or female. You don’t have to look in their pants.

And the basis for determining how to segregate, is not by looking at the people who enter.

If you segregate based on sex, the person who happens to look like the opposite sex, has no say in the matter.

I appreciate you trying to engage. But I do think your view is reliant on a concept that I don’t think is actually applicable.

Titania but my young son will 100% be safe in a male changing room without me, because male predators never seek out young boys?
Or the young girl with her dad should not try on clothes because the males are apparently too dangerous to be around? Or is it only certain young girls who are at risk?

There is certainly an argument for gender neutral facilities so parents can use them if they have an opposite sexed child with them.

But that is an entirely separate issue to what trans-people are demanding.

datun it is applicable.

Closed changing rooms - gender only. I've seen many women abuse other women who adopt a masculine look and tell thwm to get out. They don't know that she has a vagina. Gender stereotyped. Unisex facilities stop this.

Open plan changing room - very obvious who has a penis and who has a vagina. Easy to know who goes where and keep separate.

It's not rocket science.

But if she is with her dad he can wait outside.

I have no solution for the young boys alone, as you said it’s unlikely to happen. But the type of man who insists on pushing himself into girls changing rooms without female consent is someone to worry about.

Why create a situation where more abuse is likely to happen?

I related my story earlier in the thread. A lot of men who’s families think they are perfectly harmless will ogle young girls given the chance in my experience.

battered men never sexually assaultes ne or made inappropriate sexually harrassing statements.

Ok, I am assuming you are female? So you have decided that because you were unharmed that all women would experience the same as you have and should feel safe because you were safe? Is that right? Despite statistics that prove otherwise, you are asserting that because you were never assaulted that every other woman and girl are safe?

That does not mean that those same men would not make transphobic remarks or engage in transphobic hate crime.

Ok, so those men who were indifferent to you, are also transphobic to the extent they will engage in transphobic hate crime? And you want those men in the changing rooms with young girls? Engaging in that hate crime in front of those children?

It is often percieved that, for mtf trans individuals, women are safer and more accepting.

But there won’t just be women in the changing room. Men will be there too. Because anyone can use them. This is the point you and travis seem to be ignoring.

Jacques, I disagree with your post where you say men never have to share their spaces. Women enter men’s toilets and changing rooms, Girls join the Boy Scouts, women referee men’s sports. I accept that does pose a physical threat but it’s still an issue.

I've seen many women abuse other women who adopt a masculine look and tell thwm to get out

Really? Many?