Sister using pronoun they...

[Merida83]

To describe my 7 week old dd!
AIBU to be pissed off and to insist she refers to my DD by female only pronouns.

@DayManChampionOfTheSun

In a way you can understand why transactivists want to stop conversations about it. There's not many women who think the proposals for self identification are a good thing once they realise exactly what it'll mean.

Urgh. Your sister is using your DD as a proxy upon which to practise her SJW BS, no doubt awarding herself brownie points in the process. Attention seeking claptrap. My DSis did similar to my baby DD1, but with a New Agey, woo kind of flavour. Harmless but very irritating.

FlaviaAlbia

I think that’s the thing. I really don’t understand what people mean when they say ‘I identify as a female’ apart from saying you enjoy the stereotypes of that gender. Surely that’s just personality?

Oh, ffs! This would annoy the shit out of me!

I agree MN is very transphobic and often it is the strident tones or frequency of the posts that gets this across, not the content specifically

Is this your clear statement., Pengggwn? I ask because you weren't specific. So transphobic posts (unspecified) (again), are so because of tone, which is located in language which you don't identify and frequency. Do you mean having lots of posters makes it transphobic, or some posters?

Also, pack it in with the sexist "strident".

Crap punctuation.

Yes, absolutely! I'm a woman due to chromosomes, not because I like knitting or something...

FlaviaAlbia well I’m defiantly not a woman because of my love of hoovering!

Agreed FlaviaAlbia
That's why there are so many shouts of transphobia - if you threaten and frighten people (most of who want to be kind and inclusive) then they will stop critically thinking about all the worrying aspects - children using drugs to alter their bodies, women's sport disappearing, women having to share hospital wards with those with penises, language that obliterates women etc. These are all such reasonable expectations once we start discussing them that the only solution for activists determined to get their own way is to shut down all discussion - hence their mantra nodebate and allegations of transphobia.

Penggwn, yes, examples would help. This is a discussion board, and vague, accusatory statements help no-one, just muddy the water, though to be fair they are the hallmark of those who accuse MN of being transphobic. Just lob it and run.

My "agenda" is clarity so as to aid rational debate.

She’s right about gender being a social construct, but that doesn’t stop your daughter being biologically female.

She believes that gender is a social construct and as such does not wish to assign dd a gender

As others have said, your sister has confused sex and gender

sex = biological sex
gender = socially constructed roles based on assumptions derived from biological sex

Do try not to personalise it, Pengggwn. Such appeals for clarity have been noted elsewhere on this thread, and been resolutely ignored.

Fozzle we have in recent years become far more entrenched in our ideas of masculinity and femininity. I think there was a report published about how children toys are far more gender specific then they used to be. Yes there have always been boys toys and girl toys but everything 'girl' must be pink now. Toys that 10 years ago were just neutral coloured are now pink. Then as teenagers and into adulthood young people are bombarded with porn, hyper sexualised versions of womanhood and manhood. Is it any wonder young people are saying, that isn't for me and assuming that they are therefore not women/men. Girls having the biggest increase in referals to gender clinics.
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This is fed by adults who seem to have there own agenda.
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Which seems to be totally alienating old school transexuals who for the most part don't want anything to do with the trans agenda. Who want to be left alone to live their lives and fear they will be at the brunt of the backlash when it happens.
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All this before you even start on how the whole thing is massively misogynistic and homophobic.

The tone or frequency of posting is indicative of transphobia, even if the content isn't?

So I guess what you mean is if I post 'I agree' after every one of echt's posts, then you know I'm transphobic?

Anyway, on the post. Your sister is being a dickhead and if it was mine I'd tell her to shut up and that my child is a girl and will therefore be referred to as 'she' and 'her'. It's the recognition of biological sex not gender identity.

Sorry I disappeared (tho sure you can forgive me with a newborn)

To those who asked. Sister is in her 30's

I have no idea what you mean. now I don't know what you mean

You asked me a question, I am choosing not to answer.

Rather proving the point about throwing out vague and baseless commnets about transphobia then refusing to clarify.

Anyway, enough for now, I have to go to work.

Yes gender is a social construct. But biology deems your DD to be a she. Not gender ffs. She is a girl. Pretty simple you wuld think...

I would also be dressing DD up as 'girly' as possible and maybe making out that her first words were 'want a dolly' or something, jst to piss her of.

Your sister...She/they? is just ridiculous.