To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

I have a negative view of the trans movement as a whole. I'm not ashamed of that.
But I do use preferred pronouns, have trans friends, can talk openly and respectfully.
We all agree on one thing. You shouldn't be able to call yourself a woman (legally speaking) if you have a penis.
I would never react violently towards a transperson however offensive, annoying, upsetting or degrading I find some of them to be towards women. Can they say the same? Of course not.

You admit transactivists make transwomen look bad but won't accept we should discuss it

Personally I'm going to stick to discussing the AIBU about transphobia on MN.

Actually - this is a thread on AIBU about transphobia on MN. I don't think it's a thread talking about male violence.

Not sure whether you have extremely literal understanding and missed the semantics or are just being goody for the fun of it.

Incidentally though people are discussing this with you calmly, patiently and politely, with rational arguments and not a glimmer of transphobia.

*goady

Recent comments by Sagamartha have been stridently attacking any poster who mentions negative transactivist behaviour/examples. Perhaps focusing on the needs of the gender dysphoric might be better?

It's not transphobia, it's.
You're violent towards the sex I belong to.
You're demanding the right to a space you've no right to be in.
You're hurting decades of feminism (by telling everyone you're a woman because you wear a dress)
You're calling me "privileged" for not wanting you in my bathroom, DV shelter; female only spaces in general. Areas where transpeople could do so much damage and cause a lot of distress to women.
You want to sail my rights down the river to make you safer (what about us? The actual women? What about our rights?)
I'm not scared, I am angry. It's not a phobia.

But you'll still use the word 'transwomen' when you talk about transwomen in a general way, won't you?

Autogynephiles ARE are transwomen!!

If we could rewind 15 years, before the GRA 2004, then transsexual would be the word.

It is AGPs who have promoted the word transwoman.

Recent comments by Sagamartha have been stridently attacking any poster who mentions negative transactivist behaviour/examples

By attacking, you mean debating with?

And not transactivist. Transwomen. There is a difference.

Autogynephiles ARE are transwomen

But not all transwomen are AGP.

So if you are talking about AGP individuals, why not use AGP instead of transwomen?

saga

When I talk about transwomen I’m talking about autogynephiles.

Otherwise I would refer to them as transsexual.

Ah GF confirmed.

Apart from anything else, AGPs do not want to be called AGPs.

If they want to coin an acceptable word for them, I’ll use it.

What? You're just making no sense at all now. Time for bed probably.

Otherwise I would refer to them as transsexual

But transsexuals are transwomen.

So why not use AGP - so then it would be clear who you are talking about. Otherwise some people might think you are including transsexuals in your comments when you generalise about transwomen?

drunk

Women have one tiny corner of the Internet that we can call our own. Where we can talk about our problems. Then some trans woman turn up, demand that they come in and proceed to tell us all that we are wrong and our experience of being women is wrong.

YY. I've seen this happen online time and time again. Saga is either very naive, or has a tiny bit of an agenda to push.

Apart from anything else, AGPs do not want to be called AGPs

I wouldn't have thought you'd be too worried about what AGPs wanted to be called.

Otherwise some people might think you are including transsexuals in your comments when you generalise about transwomen?

No they don’t. Because I keep saying I don’t. And now you don’t, either.

Saga is either very naive, or has a tiny bit of an agenda to push

This is a thread about transphobia on MN. I am discussing transphobia on MN.

Yanbu, I read on here that trams people are a conspiracy to destroy cis women.

Bully for you. I think my observation stands.

And, for the record, I don’t want any male person in my changing room, trans or otherwise. AGP or otherwise.

But I reserve my anger for the people who are pushing this, and they are largely AGP fetishists.

Yanbu, I read on here that trams people are a conspiracy to destroy cis women.

Perhaps you could elaborate?

And, for the record, I don’t want any male person in my changing room, trans or otherwise. AGP or otherwise.

Me neither. Because it's a simple matter of boundaries, privacy and dignity. It's a red flag when male people don't respect women's boundaries. And many women know that and will continue to raise their concerns.

Ereshkigal

My agenda is concerns about the effect of some comments and attitudes on MN towards transwomen in general and the effect this has on the way transwomen are perceived by others in daily life and the prejudices they encounter.