To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

Not really because it's pretty clear to me that they are talking about specific transwomen and not about us as a group

Not really. Not when people make comments about transwomen like to do this, transwomen think that....

That is stereotyping.

Perhaps if you'd read some of the nasty things TRA's have said then maybe you'll understand why everyone is starting to hate us.

Tbh I'm more worried about the view that's been painted of us by the trans rights activists

It's possible to be worried about two separate things.

There's views painted here by some people.
And views painted elsewhere.

My sister is trans and im bi. We have a potted history before she came out (ive known since i was 4 and she came out when i was 25) I love her dearly and i fully support her. However its not easy. Since shes been her true self its like having a teenager around. Shes reliving the youth she never had. And sometimes that leads her to making stupid decisions (the hormones dont help). Sometimes she comes at issues with a more male perspective (arent wolf whistles fun i dont understand why you feel threatened when men shout at you from a car). But again thats a learning curve and she doeant have that history of being overly sexualised by men from a young age. As she grows as a person shes starting to realise that her image of womanhood isnt nessarsarily right it isnt sun shine and lollipops but shes getting there. Its easy to generalise things but every story is different.

At the same time she have preconceived notions of bi people and when i first came out i was very this is me accept me or ill never speak to them again. Changing the status quo in your life is a big thing and you will be testy about it. The threads on here about trans issues can become disgusting and they dont seem to have the same rules as normal ones. A racist post will be deleted but rarely a trans bashing one is.

People like to say im not anti trans but... its the same as saying im not racist but....

If you have to say that then usually what follows is bullshit.

Again, like I said I'm more concerned about the image the TRA's are painting of us. They're making us look like entitled arseholes. And then they wonder why people hate us.

Perhaps if you'd read some of the nasty things TRA's have said then maybe you'll understand why everyone is starting to hate us

I hope some people understand the difference between TRAs and the majority of trans people trying to live their lives.

They're making us look like entitled arseholes. And then they wonder why people hate us

Yes - it's sad how the actions of some fundamentalists can affect how people view a group as a whole.

I hope some people understand the difference between TRAs and the majority of trans people trying to live their lives.

I would say that the majority of people here do, yes.

Most so-called transphobic posts here are actually transactivistphobic.

So those who have called people here transphobic and say we don’t understand, how do you respond to OrderMeACurry, a transwoman?

For those of you still haven’t grasped what’s happening, laws are about to be changed to make identifying as a woman simply a matter of completing a form online.

It means there is no longer any legal definition for the word woman.

If you are a person who doesn’t care about women’s rights, then I can understand why you wouldn’t care about that.

If you do care about women’s rights, try and understand how you can no longer talk about them, because you can’t define the word.

And in fact the very word ‘woman’ IF it is only applied to XX chromosomes and people who have uterus, is transphobic.

Here is a link to the kind of form that will be provided to legally change sex. There is zero criteria, other than just filling in your name and address, etc.

Gender dysphoria has now got nothing to do with being transgender. If fact, people with gender dysphoria are finding it harder and harder to get any kind of counselling.

www.welfare.ie/en/pdf/GRC1.pdf

Most so-called transphobic posts here are actually transactivistphobic

Which can have a negative effect on trans people.

A cock in a frock can't steal my womanhood, don't worry.
But what they can do is
Tell lesbians they're bigoted for not wanting to have sex with a penis (just because it's attached to a "trans woman")
They can beat women in the street and call them terf's while doing so, then be applauded by thousands of transpeople on the internet. Those women are often critical of self identification, not necessarily the trans movement itself.
"We're better at being women than those ugly, cis, terfs" (cue a photo of a dolled up transwoman and a woman in jeans and a shirt) yeah great because being a woman is being dolled up in heels gotcha....

A self identifying "woman" (who's actually just a bloke in a dress) could cause so much distress in a DV help centre or female only prison. If you went to jail would you want to be locked up with somebody with a penis, for "their" safety? When the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by men (sometimes, to other men, but almost always BY men)???

So forgive me if I don't want men, albeit wearing skirts and heels, in women only spaces, sometimes using that to rape women, assaulting women for having an opinion (then applauding each other for it) shouting loud and proud that they're a woman because they wear a dress and heels and calling anybody who challenges it cisprivileged and a Terf, bigot, cunt and many other horrible words.

*sagamartha

Most so-called transphobic posts here are actually transactivistphobic

Which can have a negative effect on trans people.

Sorry, but no. Way to victim blame. Transactivists, the ones who are changing the law, the ones people are worried about, the ones who involve cross dressing fetishists and MRAs are treating women to the most misogynistic shit imaginable.

And you are saying that women’s reaction to that is the problem!

Most so-called transphobic posts here are actually transactivistphobic

I hope you don't get any transphobic abuse out in the real world from people who have formed a negative view of transwomen from reading MN or who have read TRA posts.

Being trans must come with a lot of discrimination and battles and psychological hurdles - as well as a lot of prejudice from people who don't understand what it's like and whose opinions have been formed online.

Saga-can I ask you whether you think that there is any potential negative impact on natal women from the trans agenda? ( I thought hard about a better word than agenda, because I know it has negative overtones, bu I coukdn't find one, sorry)

Sagamartha so the women here shouldn't talk about the laws and issues being pushed by transactivists?

That is what you're saying isn't it? We shouldn't discuss it.

And you are saying that women’s reaction to that is the problem

I am saying that some of the general stereotyping of transwomen by some people on here can lead to a negative view of transwomen.

(as well as the actions of TRAs)

So basically NATWALT Sagamartha? You're ignoring all discussion here and just going on repeating the same thing over and over. It's the same standard derail that is often used to stop women talking about male violence.

And actually no, I can't think of a thread I've read that is banging on about generalisations, in fact the threads are occasionally focused on the content of one specific article by a writer or youtuber but in massive majority are about the impact of proposed legislation on females being pushed by trans political groups. The focus is biological women, every time. If you want to argue Not All Trans Political Groups Are Like That, then the evidence speaks for itself as to which ones are advising government while simultaneously supporting and advocating violence towards women who show any questioning or resistance.

'Let our violence be transformative and freeing' is one recent post from a group who advised the select committee on the coming bill.
'I want to fuck up some terfs' was a comment loved by the same national group. Are you seriously ok with this?

That is what you're saying isn't it? We shouldn't discuss it

No.

I am saying that some of the general stereotyping of transwomen by some people on here can lead to prejudice against transwomen.

I hope you don't get any transphobic abuse out in the real world from people who have formed a negative view of transwomen from reading MN or who have read TRA posts.

Translation: I do hope I can find an example of this so I can beat the women on here over the head with it.

It's the same standard derail that is often used to stop women talking about male violence

Actually - this is a thread on AIBU about transphobia on MN. I don't think it's a thread talking about male violence.

Translation: I do hope I can find an example of this so I can beat the women on here over the head with it

There's plenty of examples of people stereotyping about transwomen as a group on here.

I am saying that some of the general stereotyping of transwomen by some people on here can lead to prejudice against transwomen.

Good Lord! Almost every single thread has posters explaining the difference between transsexuals and AGP individuals.

No-one with the slightest amount of information thinks that transgender men are all the same.

Right, for the benefit of sagamartha, Men who are transgender are not all the same.

Transsexuals who have gender dysphoria have peoples sympathy and compassion.

Autogynephiles, chancers and predators are the problem.

From here on in anything I say about transwomen addresses that second group only.

What a nonsensical response Sagamartha

You admit transactivists make transwomen look bad but won't accept we should discuss it. You now talk about 'stereotyping' but what you actually mean is no mention of negative violent behaviour or attitudes by transactivists.

All threads I've read on here about the issue make clear the distinction between so called "truscum" and transactivists. You are blurring that line to the benefit of misogynist fetishists and the detriment of trans people suffering gender dysphoria.

From here on in anything I say about transwomen addresses that second group only

But you'll still use the word 'transwomen' when you talk about transwomen in a general way, won't you?