To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

And in any case, is someone's written description of their feelings worth more than someone telling me face to face?

Very much on the person who goes through the 2 year process, transitions, takes HRT and probably surgery (although there are people who are wary of surgery

So you are a terf and bigot. prettt much the same position as most women you are criticising.

Sorry, I mean less valid than face to face?

In real life? Rather than relying on what you read about groups of people on the internet.

I'm not just reading about groups of people on the internet, I'm reading their own words.

And how do I meet trans people in real life exactly?

And in any case, is someone's written description of their feelings worth more than someone telling me face to face

Don't you think you can learn a lot more about people by interacting with them rather than just reading stuff online?

And how do I meet trans people in real life exactly

Surely they're not hard to see - in their high heels, wigs and frocks?

Highly visible for all to see - because being highly visible really helps when people want to shout abuse at you.

I’m so not interested in the topic. We don’t have endless discussions about heterosexual non-transgender (is that a word?) people so why does it dominate so many conversations? Be what you want, wear what you like, but for heavens sake shut up about it. Most people just don’t care.

I’m interested saga what is a transwoman? How can someone tell they’re a transwoman?

Because women have been fighting for hundreds of years to be treated equally to a man and still fighting. Men say they are born in the wrong body and want equal rights a, b and c and they are given straight away. In addition some of these rights supersede the basic rights of other women i.e safety. Can you not see how this p's off women.

Most people just don’t care

True. But this is largely because they are mostly either men who are pretty much unaffected by it or women who haven't yet realised how the new laws and this movement could affect them and/or their children.

Got a sporty DD? She will face competition from male bodied people in her sport

Got a teenage DD? She will have less protection from predatory men.

Got a gay or gender non conforming DD or DS? Hope they can get through their teenage years without major surgery to transition to the other sex, losing their ability to mature into a sexually active or fertile adult before they realise it's actually OK to be a butch girl or an effeminate boy.

If You're not concerned you haven't understood what's happening IMO.

How can someone tell they’re a transwoman

The best person to ask is a transwoman in real life.

I too was shocked and disgusted at many of the opinions expressed towards transpeople on MN, however before long I started surprising myself by agreeing with some of them, and now I find myself of the same opinion as many posters.

Things have been said that I at first hadn't considered, I was just busy being outraged that people could think this way, but now I get it.

For example the Topshop changing room incident the other week; people for the Transperson were saying women speaking out against it were ridiculous, for claiming that they feel uncomfortable changing next to someone who they see as the opposite sex, however none of them labelled the Transperson ridiculous for feeling uncomfortable changing next to someone they see as the opposite sex.

This is just one example, but honestly if you read through all the comments made, then you will see that there are many, many viable reasons why not everyone is so comfortable with how accepting we're all expected to be with Transpeople.

Yeah saga you see, that’s a difficult question to ask a transwoman. They get incredibly defensive and start calling you a bigot. The one I spoke to said he liked wearing nail varnishr and wea

Not sure what to make of that. But you know this anyway. You can’t have your stereotypes and eat them...

*wearing his hair in a bob.

Hi sagamartha.

There's a difference between old school transsexuals and this new, much broader wave of transgender people isn't there.

I do know a few transsexual people, I don't feel it's polite to seek them out specifically to talk about this stuff but I would love to hear their views if the opportunity arises.

I wouldn't bring it up with trans rights activists however as I would fear for my safety due to the violent rhetoric - and more recently violent actions - towards gender critical women.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting exactly?

I agree in principle, talking face to face is very valuable, especially on conflict resolution. But I don't see how that's possible with TRAs at the moment - they are openly violent in intent.

They get incredibly defensive and start calling you a bigot

Really

Shirelle are you thinking that this thread is arguing in favour of the GRB bill?

My reading is that she does.

ShirellesFan

I don't want to read 25 pages on a non - issue. I am offering my valid opinion though on the whole tedious subject.

Lol. Yet another one. I haven’t read the thread, but you’re all wrong.

Literally, the definition of prejudice.

And no, your opinion is not valid. You cannot have an opinion about something that you haven’t read!

So saga is it nail varnish that makes someone a transwoman? Or the bob?

s it nail varnish that makes someone a transwoman? Or the bob

Don't you think you can learn a lot more about people by interacting with them rather than just reading stuff online?

Not necessarily. There are a number of variations on trans identified males. The ones you meet irl are likely to only be a certain type and not likely to be open about all their views and motivations. I'm sure your friends are the "lovely, just want to get on with their lives, wouldn't walk around a changing room with their penis out" types. Maybe you're the one who needs to expand your experience a little.

Cat got your tongue? Or just that there’s no answer that is both true, and that supports your argument?

Cat got your tongue? Or just that there’s no answer that is both true, and that supports your argument

So you simply think transwomen go through the potential of family rejection, the potential bullying of any children they might have, potentially dangerous hormone treatment, complex surgery, discrimination etc - and all because they want a 'bob and to wear nail varnish'?

Is that what you