To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

that people believe there is this epidemic of people pretending to be trans to use change rooms to attack women

Men currently commit 98% of sexual assaults in the U.K. predominantly against women. Trans identified men commit offences at the same rate and type as other men. If men are permitted to access women's changing rooms and bathrooms and the numbers of sexual offences against women in those spaces increases, would you change you view on maintaining sex segregated spaces? What is the appropriate number of women raped in women's facilities that would change you mind?

honestly, I'm just shocked at how Mumsnet is so obsessed with this issue! of all the things in the world to get het up about!

in the past - you would see transgendered people occasionally, or meet them or even know them socially, and generally no-one would pass comment and it was just "accepted" as one of those things in life.

Now there seems to be a whole political industry geared to giving them publicity and "rights" - rights for what no-one is clear about. It seems bizarre this sense of outrage about .... well I'm not really clear what its about ... anyway its getting on my nerves now, just another bandwagon of oppression-signalling. Worse still it actually creates antipathy where none existed before. Another fucking thread on this nonsense, is what I think when I see OP's title.

I'm just shocked at how Mumsnet is so obsessed with this issue! of all the things in the world to get het up about!

I can hardly think of anything more important than trying to prevent an act of parliament that would more or less eradicate 'women' as a group. In all honesty I can't understand why any woman could possibly watch her rights being pulled away from under her and not be terrified for what the future might hold.

There’s no trans hatred.

But there’s plenty of hatred aimed at women from men who think that their desire to wear a wig and a frock,and pretend to need a sit down wee, trumps the rights of women to have safe spaces.

It is absolutely true that a woman is indeed a woman. A girl who is born with some or all of the typical parts - a vaginia, uterus, ovaries typically goes on to menstruate (yes not all do but most). A girl whose nipples develop into breasts (large or small) also are typically a women. She may at some point give birth, she may not. She is a woman and it is only right and fair that she is a woman. Her body was designed that way and her body can often reproduce and birth more humans. Fact.
It is therefore unwise to remove women's rights and the words and statements associated with women like "breastfeeding" and "pregnant women" away from them. They are NOT pregnant people and what crazy people are coming up with such anti women stance to change all this stuff.
Men and women are different. Boys and girls are different. Every boy and man is different, and every girl and woman is different. It's such malarkey to suggest suddenly that we offend people by saying as a boy they cant like girl stuff and girls can't like boys stuff. Of course they can but it doesn't mean we dive into sex changes or gender change whatever. Children are growing and developing, and then individualizing as teenagers. Let them do this as they do, but don't jam them full of pills and drugs and assume its right to change their hormone systems.
We are letting our kids down by allowing this. By all means help and support them grow into healthy adults and if they still feel this strongly as adults then start processing towards a sex change. If someone has a sex change then they have had a sex change, however they are not fully female if they were born with male parts. They have sex changed. Yes we need to protect that person that has sex changed but we cannot then remove women's rights and women's identity because of a few sex changes in the world. That is not ok. What in the world is happening?

honestly, I'm just shocked at how Mumsnet is so obsessed with this issue! of all the things in the world to get het up about!

Shirelle, you're woefully underinformed love. Most women are, and that's not your fault, it's not being made easy for them to hear the full situation and facts. Please read through the thread before you decide. This is anything but virtue signalling or random obsession. This is an extremely serious issue for any woman, any parent, and the repercussions could be huge, it is something every woman should be informed on and talking about.

ShirellesFan read the damn thread. It’s perfectly clear.

read the damn thread. It’s perfectly clear.

25 pages of hysterical condescending bigotry.

honestly, I'm just shocked at how Mumsnet is so obsessed with this issue! of all the things in the world to get het up about!

I don't want to be obsessed about this issue at all. I've got lots of things I'd rather be doing. I don't want to be involved in a political issue where speaking the truth will lead to men sending me death threats and rape threats, and women - including women I liked and trusted - calling me a bigot.

But I've been forced to be "obsessed" with it, if I don't want to see every scrap of progress, privacy and safety for women and girls that we've fought for for decades, taken away.

It's funny how often women who stand up for their own rights are called "hysterical", SloeSloe.

As it ever was ArcheryAnnie. As it ever was.

Those damn wandering uterii. Bit of lupron would probably sort them out.

I think maybe you don’t know the difference between trans women - those who no longer have a penis (I haven’t seen any hate towards trans women who have taken steps to become a woman. In fact I would say 99% of people have no problem with them).

Pennypickle, that is not how transwoman is defined. Nor do I consider cutting off a body part to be a 'step to become a woman'. And while we're on that subject, nor do I consider wearing a dress, wearing lipstick, wearing high heels, or showing interest in society's traditional ideas of female gender roles to be 'steps to become a woman' either.

There is no way to change sex that’s the end of it really. I will respect you and use the terminology you would prefer but in no way can you change sex. Therefore sex segregated spaces should stay like that, surely?

Yes the thread is 25 pages long but clearly she has read it to then come up with an opinion on all the hatred she is supposedly seeing... would it really hurt then to actually read the thread correctly and not reading it just to look for something that can be twisted as hatred to suit an agenda? It probably is to be honest. Lazy bastards with lazy arguments.

@ShirellesFan

If you can’t understand why there are so many trans threads, might I suggest you ask yourself why?

Do you seriously think that well informed, busy women, who have lives, careers and children really want to have to talk about this shit?

Read the damn thread.

@SloeSloeQuickQuickGin

Given that condescension means superior knowledge, then yes, I guess you’re right.

And if you think biology is bigoted, I suggest you go back to school.

I don't want to read 25 pages on a non - issue. I am offering my valid opinion though on the whole tedious subject.

Datun Actually, transgendered just = nasty neurotics on Mumsnet. (Not in the real world for transgendered btw, but the idiots on MN who are on some kind of "political mission". Pure idiocy btw, and people who understand nothing about their "professed cause". I suspect you are in that category of the professionally-offended).

Like I said, its just become a political industry, nothing less, and a truly worthless cause for that reason.

Sigh. No, actually if you read the threads you'll find a lot of political awareness, people following the facts and intelligently discussing them. And to not read the thread and just turn up to be rude is not exactly a shining example of how you're better than the rest of us who worry about this and can explain exactly why with evidence if you can be bothered to listen.

But don't worry. We'll keep writing to MPs and reading this stuff so you don't have to.

Bucketandspoon

it is something every woman should be informed on and talking about

^only in your tiny, self-obsessed, totally sexually neurotic world. Absolutely nothing to do with most women's lives - which shows how far you are from reality.

hilarious, if not offensive.

but all this will come back and bite you in the arse in the end, and because of your hostile and aggressive demands for what-nobody-knows, you won't get any sympathy from people who would normally be sympathetic. Well done for creating hatred, anger and dissension where none existed before!

I expect this thread serves a small minority of gender-obsessives-who-have-no-contact-with-the-real-world-and-are-probably-certifiably-insane. Thats fine!

a small minority of gender-obsessives

Ha ha ha ha. That’s actually priceless. Talk about missing the point by a country mile. 😂

Bucket political awareness my arse, you know nothing about politics. Your approach is just an excuse for sexual self-neurosis on an industrial scale (presumably you want public funding: the main point I strongly suspect: what all this crap is really about, apart from the sexual exhibitionist aspect Zzzzz).

You can laugh bad husky but your nasty approach for your ridiculous "cause" will cause you problems in the end. Nothing will be gained, not even insight, because you can't offer any. All you can offer is hatred, malice and contempt and that is what will come back to you.

presumably you want public funding: the main point I strongly suspect: what all this crap is really about, apart from the sexual exhibitionist aspect Zzzzz

ehhh??? What exactly are you on about? Public funding for what? What on earth is the sexual exhibitionist element of women talking about how the gender identity bill affects us?

Can you please elaborate on what you mean by 'sexually neurotic'.