To be shocked at the sheer amount of hatred and ignorance about transpeople on mumsnet

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Specifically transwomen, according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing.

So why is Mumsnet so intolerant and ignorant towards transgender people?

I love being a woman. I will defend women's rights.

But only those you approve of.

Agree with IsaacCrumbFavouriteSon above, but there are plenty of adults out there who have a clear lack of knowledge of current affairs/legislation etc and whose turn of phrase is a little "child-like"!

But only those you approve of

No, only the ones without penises.

Amen Isaac.

But only those you approve of.

I love being a female. I will defend female rights.

For fucks sake..woman is simply an adult human female. Most people use it in this sense. No doubt the above sentence about female rights is now transphobic, as it excludes people with penises. Because you know, people with penises much be centred in everything.

Cis:

A: What day is it tomorrow?

B: It's Tuesday.

A: What do you mean "Tuesday", what is this "Tuesday"?

B: I mean Tuesday, the day after Monday.

A: Ahhhh, you mean not-Monday-not-Wednesday-not-Thursday-not-Friday-not-Saturday-not-Sunday-day.

B: No. I mean Tuesday.

I'm a transwoman and quite frankly I'm calling BS on that claim. 3 year olds have no concept of gender. I know I certainly didn't.
You may not have been but my dc was hyper aware and proud of the fact that she is a girl. Please don't generalise.

@Ballsfffftpsss is your DC trans?

You may not have been but my dc was hyper aware and proud of the fact that she is a girl. Please don't generalise.

Is a girl, as in a born female? People are aware of the sex they are from quite a young age...given physical differences in sexed bodies are easily observed. They have no concept of 'gender' though, at all. Unless its been forced on them...ie. you cannot play with that truck, you are a girl!!!

Meaning, the only way a child would 'identify' with the opposite sex would be if sex stereotypes had been forced on them from a very young age. And rejecting those stereotypes, does not make the child 'trans'. It makes them a child. So no, a 3 year old cannot be 'transgender' at all.

In reality, I don't think 'transgender' exists at all tbh. Nevermind in children. Just not at all. Given 'gender' is just a bunch of stereotypes in the first place. 'Gender' appears to be the modern term for personality, plus dress sense. Or just dress sense, in so many cases of 'trans'.

Of course, transsexual people exist though. People who have sex dysphoria and want the body of the opposite sex. This is entirely different from 'transgender'

'Transgender' looks to me to be a bit of a social contagion to be quite honest. Spurred on by people who wish to keep people in their neat little 'gender' box. Supported (and funded by possibly)by misogynists and homophobes. Affecting confused people who do not think its possible to just break the stereotypes associated with your own sex. And roping in children, who cannot possibly understand the impact of their decision on the rest of their lives. And indeed, if these kids are just left alone, studies show that 80% or so 'grow out of' their 'dysphoria' after puberty and most simply become gay adults. 'Transing' them young is nothing more than gay eugenics, openly, and with much support and funding and even NHS support. Its so weird.

I am sure some people believe they are 'transgender' and do not have sex dysphoria. But again, without sex dysphoria..just what is the 'trans' part about? What are you 'transitioning' to? A different set of stereotypes?

Oddly enough, I am classed as transgender, due to being gender non-conforming. I am fairly certain that near every person on the planet is gender non-conforming...I don't think I know anyone at all who encompasses every element of femininity or masculinity. Along with purely masculine/feminine interests, dress sense and the lot. Its just unrealistic and I am unsure if anyone actually exists in the whole world who is like that. So why on earth do activists force the awful 'cis' label onto anyone who is not themselves? Why assume everyone else 'identifies' with pure masculinity or femininity. Its just stupid when you think into it properly.

I don't have a 'gender identity' at all. Does anyone? I have asked a lot of transpeople just HOW they 'identify' as women/men. It always, always boils down to stereotypes. How does someone male 'feel female'..and vice versa? Makes no sense at all. Especially when many (most?) females don't 'feel' female, they just ARE female.

MistressDeeCee Your angst is with straight men. Wanting them to accept you, to love you as women, to want you, to be with you, to have sex with you. & that is nothing to do with biological women at all

We are just the perceived easy target and scapegoats, in true male socialisation and entitlement fashion; when you can't get or guarantee what you want, blame someone else you deem as weaker than you, and pick on them.

Unfortunately none of this will get you what you want - the full attention and gaze of straight men.

Spot on.

Yup. Hence ‘handmaid’.

Yes absolutely. No straight man wants a transwoman. You should have seen the uproar on Twitter when Playboy introduced their first trans playmate. It was very funny.

I still can't grasp fundamentally how gender is simultaneously a socially constructed fiction, qnd something that is innate. Which is it?

I have no idea what it feels like to be "a woman". I can understand feeling that there's something fundamentally wrong with you (I certainly did as a teen) but beyond focussing on gender stereotypes (which are apparently a complete fabrication) how can you know the thing that's wrong is your gender? I'm not saying it's not possible or that I need to understand it, but I don't believe there is a sense of being male or female that's universal.

There can’t be any sense of being male or female, other than biology. But I think you can be feminine or masculine. A man can be effeminate (what’s the difference between effeminate and feminine?).

And I suspect that’s where the disconnect comes from.

@busyboysmum the fluidity and vast diversity of human desire says otherwise. (And the trans sex workers and trans focused porn. ) it’s in fact one of the issues for trans people, that they are fetishised by some.

A straight man who fetishizes transwomen is actually bi guy. Even if he won't admit it.

Given he is attracted to both sexes. And sexuality is about which sex you are attracted to. Not which dress sense or whatever you are attracted to.

Only time this would maybe gets complicated is if the transwoman was truly passing and a guy chatted them up or something. And then, the dude would only be bi if they decided to continue the sexual encounter once they saw a penis. As straight guys would run, at that stage.

Post-op transfolk who pass add a spanner to the works though. I don't think many of those exist though

"@busyboysmum the fluidity and vast diversity of human desire says otherwise. (And the trans sex workers and trans focused porn. ) it’s in fact one of the issues for trans people, that they are fetishised by some."

Men. By some MEN. Who purchases sex from trans sex workers or in fact from any sex workers? Who is consuming trans porn?

Men, it's men. Women rarely pay for sex, and when it comes to porn, the main audience is also well known.

Yet again, this is not a person thing, it's a MAN thing.

I have seen this on FB shared a few times and it sums it up for me:

PLEASE DO NOT CIS-GENDER ME

I do not subscribe to gender stereotyping.

I am neither conforming or non-conforming.

My preferred prefix is neither cis nor trans.

I am a biological female and known as a woman.

My authentic self is an individual with my own unique personality independent of my biological sex.

MY REALITY IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE

Similarly the transwomen who threaten lesbians with violence for having the temerity to refuse sex with people with penises, and the death and rape threats levelled at women who say hold on this is all bollocks.

Which people in society threaten violence and rape? It's MEN isn't it. If you are a transwoman who tells women who disagree with you that they need to have some sexual violence meted out on them, then sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but you are definitely missing behaving like a woman by some enormous fucking massive great margin.

NATransPeopleALT but still, these are the shouty ones that seem to be driving the agenda.

I have yet to see a transman going on like this which is another interesting point.

I'm late to this thread but I'm not buying this assertion:
according to the majority of mumsnet, all transwomen want to rape biological women, “steal their womanhood” and all sorts of other ridiculous, offensive statements without any factual backing
so YABU