To think that people that drive diesel cars know that they're killing children

[dieselKiller]

Diesel cars are destroying our towns and villages. The health effects on kids are particularly bad. People must know this by now. So AIBU to think that people who drive diesel cars know that they're killing kids (and everyone really)?

It's like smoking: it's not possible to smoke in public without affecting others' health. This seems to have been accepted by most people. What makes diesel different?

"People Hubs" lols.

Assuming you're being serious with your utopian vision, you want them to be affordable. So who is going to pay for acquiring the land, clearing the brownfield site, checking for contamination etc etc, and building all the amenities? If the developer pays, it's going to have to be reflected in the cost of the unit, otherwise no developer would take it on. If the government pays - well again, we are back to "where does the money come from?"

And once built, who is going to pay to keep up the amenities - if there's one thing that is not affordable, it's a high service charge!

Also a family of mechanics so understand emissions etc. And old fashioned, I like old reliable cars. Even if I didn’t couldn’t afford anything newer.

MuseumOfCurry How is the auto industry self-correcting?

Oh and the new developments would have built-in solar capabilities, none of the hassles of retrofitting. Good insulation so bills would be almost nonexistence.

But this opening of the countryside would make the installation of solar and wind farms much less contentious.

To the smug electric owners,we'd all love one. Many of us aren't loaded though. My car is years old. Probably worth 1k if that. I can't replace it.

We're looking around to replace it but can't afford electric.From my reading many new diesel cars are as clean as many petrol. Some diesels can get into the high Euro groups i.e. be deemed ok. Some petrol cars don't make the same groups and are v dirty. Some manufacturers produce cleaner cars than others,Renault seems particularly shite. Both are going in 2040 so buying petrol is hardly prudent of something to feel smug about. And yes diesel can be better for rural driving.

I.e. The op is ridiculous. It's not such a clear cut picture as all diesel drivers are baby killers and everybody else is innocent.

Yeah well, we don't all have the money for fancy electrics.

Yes, I'm lucky that I could afford to buy a new a new electric car to replace my 15-year-old petrol engined Skoda Fabia.

But there are some great deals on second-hand EVs because the technology is advancing so quickly.

And the cost of running my EV is a fraction what it used to cost me in petrol.

Mines for one of those green euro 4 discs which means I can drive at any time in Europe with no limitations. Some older petrol cars don’t even have that.

But then I do have the pig piss tank.

I live next to a dairy farm and you know what, those cows emit enough methane to power a town.

makeourfuture

Interesting concept, but not for me, it reminds me of the “districts” in the Hunger Games. As a family we are trying to get away from society/civilization.

There wouldn’t be a big enough carrot in the world to get me.

The newer diesel car we're looking at( need a 7 seater with a decent engine) is in the second to best Euro group. Many petrol cars wouldn't make it into the same group.[ confused]

So why no vitriol towards all drivers who aren't driving the cleanest cars? The cleanest are by no means all petrol drivers.

Also you can't just "open up the countryside". It belongs to someone! So first you have to buy it.

And anyone who gets wind of a People Hub being built near them is going to jack up the price. Again, who's paying that?

Also you can't just "open up the countryside". It belongs to someone! So first you have to buy it.

And anyone who gets wind of a People Hub being built near them is going to jack up the price. Again, who's paying that?

Boring details.

Haha guess I forgot that in a utopian future all property is theft and belongs to everyone...!

people hubs

opened countryside

newly revitalised countryside

What fresh 1984 terminology is that?

Let me fix that for you.

What you mean is "huge estates blighting every single square inch of green while making huge profit for the developers and people squashed there like battery chickens".

Safe and pleasant my arse.

I.e. The op is ridiculous. It's not such a clear cut picture as all diesel drivers are baby killers and everybody else is innocent.

Indeed, but the OP isn't interested in the least in engaging in any meaningful discussion about whether or not all diesel cars are always the most damaging. The OP has decided that the solution to all environmental woes is to limit the use of diesel cars and doesn't understand why all people aren't leaping to do so. The OP views any attempt to explain this position as people being defensive because they are trying to hide the fact that they secretly don't give a shit that they are knowingly and gladly murdering other people's babies.

MuseumOfCurry How is the auto industry self-correcting?

There's already been enormous advances in cleaner technologies, as we all know there's a forthcoming ban on petrol/diesel engines in 2040, and because of the huge tax on petrol there's corresponding pressure/incentive for innovation e.g. battery cell technology.

There is no real corollary in agriculture. There is no alternative to a cow, there is no financial pressure because there is no meat tax, and deforestation continues.

My quick google search just told me that methane is 23x more damaging WRT global warming than C02.

Who would not like to live there?

Me. Sounds like a cross between living in Disneyland and East Berlin (pre unification)

huge estates blighting every single square inch of green while making huge profit for the developers

That is the present system.

People on here calling me smug for owning an EV. I think it's misunderstood how much they cost - you can now buy a 3 -year-old Leaf for under £10k.

If you also take into account the running costs - about 3p a mile - they can be very cost effective.

And if you want a new one, if you lease, they are comparable with other petrol/diesel cars:

www.theguardian.com/money/2017/jun/17/buy-electric-car-lower-running-costs-leasing-prices-green-motoring

I live in the countryside. Most of the non-built-on-bits are comprised of:

1. farm land/farming
2. forest/scrubland/water, basically wildlife habitats

It might look like some huge pleasure garden, but it all serves a purpose.

Over population is the problem, and falling UK birth rates are not enough to save the planet as over-population in other parts of the world will end up affecting us one way or the other. Sadly, I have no solution. Whilst we should certainly be doing all we can to minimise our own personal footprints on this planet, it won't be enough.

It's not lease,it's debt.

£2000 deposit and £240 a month.

Not everybody has that or a family/journey length needs which can squeeze into it.

SockEatingMonster

Unless NK launches a EMP strike on the US or Europe.

Or the plague outbreak in East Africa spreads.

That would assist in a population adjustment

No IroningMountain not everyone does. And an EV won't suit everyone at the moment - but the market and choice is getting better all the time and we will all be driving them after 2040.