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To think that people that drive diesel cars know that they're killing children

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dieselKiller · 01/11/2017 08:27

Diesel cars are destroying our towns and villages. The health effects on kids are particularly bad. People must know this by now. So AIBU to think that people who drive diesel cars know that they're killing kids (and everyone really)?

It's like smoking: it's not possible to smoke in public without affecting others' health. This seems to have been accepted by most people. What makes diesel different?

OP posts:
Quimby · 01/11/2017 15:55

“Quimby Is it clearer if I say that I no more blame the average diesel driver for driving a diesel car than I blame my skin for getting sunburn?“

Unless your skin is the one calling the shots in this transaction then it’s similar backpedaling nonsense in an attempt to pretend that you weeebt blaming diesel drivers.... when you clearly were.

PineappleSnapple · 01/11/2017 15:55

Glad I drive a petrol.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 01/11/2017 15:58

Name changer knew exactly what they were doing when they posted the OP

Or they could have grown a pair and posted an OP under their own name which would probably have been a very interesting and thought provoking thread

Instead of getting peoples backs up and going straight in on the attack and then acting all confused and 'i only want a debate'

Actually some of the posts remind me of the techniques of some chuggers

madeyemoodysmum · 01/11/2017 16:00
Biscuit
GrumpyOldBag · 01/11/2017 16:01

Glad I drive an electric car.

dieselKiller · 01/11/2017 16:02

Quimby If I ask whether people who eat lamb chops know that they're killing baby animals and imply that they should, do you see that as a statement of fact or is it blame? If you feel like it's blame, how would you rephrase given that the lamb chop eaters' knowledge of the consequences of their actions is the central question. Does it make a difference to your answer if I reveal whether or not I also eat lamb chops?

OP posts:
Honeydragon · 01/11/2017 16:05

No I did not read the thread I just like to randomly and coincidentally post stuff like how you can’t compare American cities to UK towns for no good reason.

Did you read your thread?

PineappleSnapple · 01/11/2017 16:06

Glad I drive an electric car

Yeah well, we don't all have the money for fancy electrics.

dieselKiller · 01/11/2017 16:08

I'm thrilled that Rufustherenegadereindeer1 is suggesting I should post under my own name (and hasn't bothered to read previous posts)! Brilliant!

OP posts:
fucksakefay · 01/11/2017 16:13

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

makeourfuture · 01/11/2017 16:13

Being forced to live in suburban hell would be my nightmare. We deliberately moved away from civilization and will continue to do so if urban sprawl invades our space again

I agree with this roughly. It is the sprawl.

More concentrated urban environments will actually free up a great deal of countryside for pleasurable pursuits, exercise, etc.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 01/11/2017 16:14

Oh honest apologies diesel

I couldn't remember how far i got and obviously restarted the thread in the wrong place

Give me a clue as to where the missing post is please?

I will check back as well

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 01/11/2017 16:18

m a long-time reader, first-time poster

Found it

Abject apologies re the name change bit

All the rest of my post still stands

Goady OP and a chugger

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 01/11/2017 16:19

Missed a whole page Blush

Oops Grin

dieselKiller · 01/11/2017 16:20

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 As I've said a couple of times in thread already: I'm a first time poster so I have exactly 1 name on MN. (And I'm not a journo or student or chugger or whatever else people worry about)

OP posts:
Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 01/11/2017 16:20

Yeah

I know

Ive just apologised

Twice

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 01/11/2017 16:21

I didnt say you were a chugger

I said you have posts which sound like some chuggers

c3pu · 01/11/2017 16:22

Anyone who says it's better to drive a petrol rather than a diesel is a bit like saying it's better to be stabbed in the kidney than it is to be stabbed in the heart.

Rebeccaslicker · 01/11/2017 16:26

Makeourfuture - how will that help the people in existing areas? Or is the magic money tree also going to buy their houses off them so that they can move to the new brownfield housing estates?

lazyarse123 · 01/11/2017 16:28

Not rtft but what a twatty thing to say. My diesel is 12 years old and it was sold as more environmentally friendly than petrol. If you want to buy me another car please feel free.

sosoverytired · 01/11/2017 16:35

Old diesels here. Love em. Not giving em up. Not killing my children. I’m here and grew up constantly surrounded by diesel. Even our electricity came from a diesel generator that was 4 ft from the house.
So you are being unreasonable. Talking out of your a**e. And shaming other parents. Hope your happy.

Lethaldrizzle · 01/11/2017 16:39

So very tired - so your argument is you drive diesel cars and you are not dead so they must be ok Hmm

JassyRadlett · 01/11/2017 16:40

OP’s knowledge of behavioural economics, persuasions techniques and the critical factors of past successful efforts at mass behaviour change is apparently quite limited. Grin

If you’re interested in actually effecting change, OP, some background reading on how to do it would be a great place to start.

Top hint: telling those you are trying to influence that they’re child killers isn’t the best starting place.

makeourfuture · 01/11/2017 16:46

how will that help the people in existing areas? Or is the magic money tree also going to buy their houses off them so that they can move to the new brownfield housing estates?

Well first the term "housing estate" is not quite the best. Perhaps "People Hubs".

But anyhow. I believe that people are reasonable by nature. The prospect is a simple one. And easily understood....that our present system of land allocation is causing great harm to the environment.

"Carrots" would seem natural. The new housing and amenities would be very pleasing and people would naturally want to live there. Done correctly, the massive savings realised by a more rational system would allow for reasonable pricing and quite nice surroundings. Safety, green spaces and urban forests would make the new transport-based living areas attractive.

Again, just outside the borders of these new transport-based hubs would lie a newly revitalised countryside. Perfect for bicycling and walking and even camping. Pleasure gardens and things like that could be brought back. Open-air concerts and exercise trails and such. Boating and sailing.

With good dedicated rail-based, electric transport travelling to your work site would be quick and pleasant, and being more condensed, these habitation hubs' shelters would be more readily available than is now present on rural bus lines.

The key is to make them very pleasant and affordable and safe. With access to nature and culture. Who would not like to live there?

MuseumOfCurry · 01/11/2017 16:48

You're focusing on the wrong thing.

The auto industry is self-correcting - we're (slowly) getting there. The biggest problem we face is agribusiness, which is not self-correcting, and at this point seems pretty likely to kill us all.

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