To ask about pubic hair removal?

[cherrycola2004]

I’m quite new here not sure where to post this so feel free to move the post.

I just wonder if you remove your pink hair how do you do it? Shaving is making me so sore and itchy, hair removal cream doesn’t seem to work too well, Home waxing kit was pointless and pretty much just took my skin off (ouch!)

Is a proper wax the only way?

Any tips or tricks?

Thank

Sorry misclicked before I could finish my sentence.
I was saying its been the norm for ages, long before it was ever popular in the US or UK. I have bo idea why though.

Why would a creator create universally flawed bodies that need to be frequently changed? Is it a cultural issue rather than a strictly religious one?

When the Jewish nation was born, God asked Abraham for his foreskin as a sign that they had made an unbreakable covenant (promise) sealed with blood, and the circumcision of infant boys was evidence that the Jews adhered to that promise. It was a very private promise, hidden by clothing and only known to the man himself and his spouse. - It wasn't a public display like having particular cultic clothing, piercingsetc as some religious groups adopted.

It continues as the sign that the Jewish nation and God have never forgotten that promise. Islam sprang from Judaism (though much later). The Jews are the children of Isaac, Abraham's younger son, who was the son of God's promise and his legitimate child. The Arab nations are the sons of Ishmael, Abraham's elder son, who was born to a slave woman, Hagar. I assume that Muslims continue to circumcise for the same reason - that they believe God's promise.

When Christianity developed as a religion rather than as a small Jewish sect, Paul (Saul) - a Jew, and the author of a large portion of the NT stated that physical circumcision was unnecessary (Col 2.11 "In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ" also Romans 2:29 "No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code".). i.e. - the belief in Christ, and importantly following Christ's commandment to love one another and our enemies was a voluntary circumcision of the heart, as Christ had cut away the sin from his followers.

Jewish babies are circumcised on the 8th day, so that they have lived through an entire week which includes a Sabbath; I don't think that Muslims have a set age for circumcision, but would be happy for David to put me right on this as I do not know a lot about Islam (or Judaism tbh)

Is it a prescriptive religious issue that's become cultural because the majority in that area follow that religion, or is it a cultural issue that's become attributable to the religion despite it not being mentioned in any texts? There Is a long history of religion being used as a way to subjugate women, from all religions and cultures - I'm just wondering if this is one of them, or something else.

(And before anyone says they don't feel subjugated because they remove their pubic hair, I would argue that it's different if it's a requirement and not a choice)

Thanks Schadenfreude - I getvthe basis of that particular act (I guess that's another hot potato that should probably be left alone in this instance!)

I think what I'm getting at is that there are religious acts that affect the body and are a one off, as you've mentioned. Then there are religious acts that are leaving your body to do its thing (e.g. Not shaving, not cutting hair). I'm just a little baffled by religious requirements that you groom your body in specific ways - if the idea is that your body is not clean unless you do so, I don't really follow why a creator would create a body that requires such things in the first place. But like I say, I'm completely ignorant of this subject so am not jumping to any conclusions or trying to assert an opinion - just genuinely curious. Coming from an evolutionary viewpoint I understand why the hair exists and maybe that's why I'm not concerned with removing it.

I don't know any men who would prefer "au naturelle

Good grief, makes you wonder how us oldsters ever managed to have wild crazy sex.

My assumption is that it's tradition that's stemmed from practical reasons that's been layered on as 'this is a practice that identifies us as a people' with the religious justification on top

I was raised Jewish (consider myself atheist and non practicing now) and I recall being told once by someone that it's likely both Jews and Muslims have some similar laws is because they originate from the same geographical area

The notion was put forward to me (rightly or wrongly) that practices came about because they made more sense at the time when these peoples lived in the desert, and in a sandy place it was thought to be easier to keep clean without a foreskin or pubic hair.

Presumably it was also more difficult to bathe and so the tradition of the ritual bath in both religions (as we can see nowadays with the mikveh for orthodox Jewish women - to bathe in when they're finished menstruating, and the proximity of the hammam to mosques in lots of middle eastern towns) may have originated from this at some point (and then had religious bollocks overlaid on top)

Dietary laws too - pork and shellfish go off a lot more quickly in the desert, so made sense to avoid these foods.

This may of course be complete bollocks as a theory so am vehemently NOT putting this forward as a suggested explanation, merely just as something I remember hearing once or twice when I was younger. And certainly not in any way a justification of these practices - especially within the context of religious justification for social and cultural subjugation of women.

Just throwing in the more practical point of 'if you lived in a desert in biblical times, certain practices may have (rightly or more likely wrongly) seemed sensible at the time, which subsequently had a load of religious guff layered on top

I don't know any men who would prefer "au naturelle

The men I have had sex with just count themselves lucky to be there at all.

If they started to cite their preferences over such a thing they would be out on their ear.
I have never been short of long good relationships.

To everyone who says 'I can't understand why anyone would want to have all their hair removed' neither could I until mine started turning white and grey. At 43 I still feel young and I was frankly horrified and felt my bush which I had never touched before looked awful! So I had my first hot wax last week. It did hurt a lot but am going to persevere because I would rather have no hair than white hair down there! And it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would. I would even go as far as to say I quite like it!

When the Jewish nation was born, God asked Abraham for his foreskin as a sign that they had made an unbreakable covenant (promise) sealed with blood, and the circumcision of infant boys was evidence that the Jews adhered to that promise

Wouldn't an omniscient diety already know if a person had made a promise or not and whether they would keep it or not? Why does the diety need "evidence"? Surely he already knows. Why get this evidence by removing a body part from a baby (obviously without that baby ever being able to give their own informed consent)?

DavidBowie said earlier that it was a religious requirement for Muslim women. I haven't been able to find a source or reference for this. Can anyone else?

@MelodyvonPeterswald Google result number one for me

islamqa.info/en/202827

As I said in my previous post, if you take it as read that religious texts were written by men years later as fantastical stories to explain cultural practices of a people, and take it as read that if you're an atheist like me, religious texts have no sensible logic about the rules they prescribe on the basis of an imaginary deity (I say as someone raised Jewish) then I come back to 'middle eastern cultures where religious guff was layered on top'

If you're looking for logic in any religious text I think you'll struggle to find any!

Religions can sod off controlling if I remove pubic hair or not.

Absolutely fascinating. Do you think the trend is a sign of more broader acceptance of what will please certain Dieties?

The Sunnah indicates that it is prescribed to remove pubic hair and armpit hair. Al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache.”

The wisdom behind the prescription of removing the hair from these two places – and Allah knows best – is that removing it helps one to attain a perfect level of cleanliness and prevents what could emanate from them of bad smells if the hair was left without removing it. And there are other reasons and wisdom behind it.

But I ask again, why did HE design you to have hair in these places in the first place? If he KNEW it wouldn't please him, why not design us to be bald in these areas?

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar (may Allah have mercy on him) said: These characteristics of the fitrah may serve some religious or worldly interests, that one may notice by reflecting upon the issue, such as: improving one’s physical well-being; cleansing the body thoroughly; taking precautions to ensure purity when doing ghusl or wudoo’; doing a favour to one’s friends and companions by avoiding unpleasant smells that may offend them; differing from the practices of the disbelievers such as the Magians, Jews, Christians and idol-worshippers

@MelodyvonPeterswald er, I don't believe in any deity. I don't believe a deity designed us at all. I don't believe in the existence of a deity. I think religious texts were written by men many years later as a way of controlling society and creating narratives around what defined different groups as unique peoples

I'm just posting what I found. If you read my post you'll see I don't think any of it is logical. You said you couldnt find anything in your searches - I was also curious and I found this in 5 seconds of Googling. You'd have to ask a believer what they think to the religious texts of their faith!

I don' t know any men who would prefer au natrelle

How many men do you know well enough to know their pubic preferences?

You'd have to ask a believer what they think to the religious texts of their faith
Yes that's who the question was aimed at.

How many men do you know well enough to know their pubic preferences?

I've got a robust sample size shall we say and it's never been a subject that's come up.

That said, is a "preference" a problem? Everyone has preferences sexually. Surely an issue arises if they try to dictate or coerce.

makes you wonder how us oldsters ever managed to have wild crazy sex.

and how a lot of us still continue to have wild, crazy geriatric sex, silver

The men I have had sex with just count themselves lucky to be there at all.

EXACTLY Speakout

Wouldn't an omniscient diety already know if a person had made a promise or not and whether they would keep it or not? Why does the diety need "evidence"? Surely he already knows. Why get this evidence by removing a body part from a baby (obviously without that baby ever being able to give their own informed consent)?

I think the sign is for the people themselves - a reminder and a continuing promise. As I say, I don't know a lot about comparative religion - just snippets (if you'll pardon the pun). These things are very complicated.

I often wished I'd taken an anthropology degree instead of Speech.

"That said, is a "preference" a problem?"

For me it would be because once i knew that was a blokes preference it would affect my confidence in the bedroom. This is a problem with a lot of men. They state their preference and then still expect their partner to be confident enough for it not to affect their sex life.

Like i said he wouldnt be the bloke for me and i wouldnt continue to date him.

Anyway...... thanks ladies for the advice/tips/tricks

Reckon I’m going to go back to hair and just keep it tidy. Not that any of you needed to know that of course!

Helena, why would you feel less confident? You have it down there how you like it, it is a valid choice being au naturelle. Why would it affect your confidence? Your public hair does not define how you are in the bedroom.

From my very small sample of close enough friends, men are split about equally, some prefer full natural hair, some a trim landing strip, some totally hairless. I certainly wouldn’t be growing a bush if that’s the preference my partner expressed. No way, not happening.

Just I do wonder how true that actually is.

For all this it's easier and cleaner stuff ( which I do think you have a point) women are quite happy to suffer glued on nails and eyelashes, painful points and heels, going hungry etc etc etc.

I bet, if like eyebrows the fashion changed of many years from thin or non existent, to thick and bushy you would absolutely see the dismise of wax. Replaced by some equally costly pubic transplant service or something.

What is going to happen in the next 30 years is that all today's shaven you gets will be middle aged and pubeless. My lot already in their 40's and 50's will be losing them anyway. It will be an old lady look.