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Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

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cozietoesie · 07/11/2017 13:33

And some ‘not so big’ figures here.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/11/07/the-case-of-wilbur-ross-phantom-2-billion/&refURL=www.google.co.uk/&referrer=www.google.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wilbur Ross to be removed from the Forbes 400

lionheart · 07/11/2017 14:17

Here's a peculiar kind of deflation:

'In British English, a billion used to be equivalent to a million million (i.e. 1,000,000,000,000), while in American English it has always equated to a thousand million (i.e. 1,000,000,000). British English has now adopted the American figure, though, so that a billion equals a thousand million in both varieties of English.' Hmm

cozietoesie · 07/11/2017 15:26

A Beast piece.

Spiritual estate tax?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 16:46

Dirty tricks election

Dale Ho
@daleeho
VIRGINIA VOTERS: we are getting reports of calls to voters falsely telling them that their polling place has changed.

ACLU of Virginia@ACLUVA
If you get a call saying your polling place has changed, note that the ONLY reliable source to find where to vote is👉(link: www.elections.virginia.gov/) elections.virginia.gov

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 16:49

Ross aide served on Navigator's board while working at Commerce

Wendy Teramoto served as a part-time adviser to Ross while maintaining her board seat at the energy shipping company with a Kremlin-linked client

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/06/wilbur-ross-commerce-navigator-aide-russia-244608

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 16:52

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Trump's longtime bodyguard will face questions from the House Intel Committee today, expected to be questioned about dossier details.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 16:57

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Warner tells me Don Jr coming in "soon" to Senate Intel, panel has already interviewed others at June 2016 meeting with Russians

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 16:58

Kyle Griffin
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Jeff Sessions will testify before the House Judiciary Committee next week, per The Hill. Expect some fireworks

thehill.com/homenews/house/359104-sessions-to-testify-before-house-judiciary-committee-next-week?amp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 17:06

Max Boot‏
@MaxBoot

Pompeo meets w/conspiracy theorist claiming Russians didn’t hack DNC—part of politicization of intel under DJT.

CIA DIRECTOR MET ADVOCATE OF DISPUTED DNC HACK THEORY — AT TRUMP’S REQUEST

theintercept.com/2017/11/07/dnc-hack-trump-cia-director-william-binney-nsa/

While Pompeo seems to be actively taking Trump’s side on contentious issues like Russian collusion, Dan Coats, the former Republican senator who now serves as director of national intelligence, has been largely missing in action. Coats has been reluctant to push for an aggressive Trump-Russia investigation, according to a source familiar with the matter.

By contrast, Coats’s predecessor, James Clapper, saw himself as the public face of the intelligence community and its spokesperson. Now out of government, Clapper, who was appointed by former President Barack Obama, has become an ardent advocate for a thorough investigation of Trump and Russia. Clapper told Politico in late October that the Russian election hacking was designed to help Trump win. “The Russians have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations,” he said.

Matthew Miller‏
@matthewamiller

The information chain here is so disturbing: from conspiracy theorist to Fox to Trump to the heart of the intelligence services.

Susan Hennessey‏ @Susan_Hennessey

More Susan Hennessey Retweeted Matthew Miller
White House isn't supposed to be trying to generate the intel it wants, it is supposed to be making decisions based on the intel it gets.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 17:07

Some good news

Ryan J. Reilly@ryanjreilly
NEW: Jeff Sessions DOJ ends prosecution of woman who laughed at Jeff Sessions

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/laughing-jeff-sessions-case-dropped_us_5a00f081e4b0368a4e868e0c?n17

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 17:10

I know it's laughable but I find things like this a chilling reminder - just think what they might have got away with (still might I suppose) if they weren't so spectacularly dense.

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Virginia, the future of the Commonwealth is at stake tomorrow. Find your polling place at vote.gop to vote Ed for #VAGov
8:37 am - 7 Nov 2017

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 17:17

This looks useful

Marshall Cohen
@Marshall_Cohen
CNN's NEW RUSSIA TRACKER: Subpoenas. Document requests. Interviews. Hearings. Arrests. Charges. Follow it all here:

edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/russia-investigations/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 17:24

It is so infuriating at how they level accusations at their opponents knowing full well that it's projection. It means when the truth comes out, it's seen as tit for tat, or not that bad because that boundary has already been transgressed, albeit not actually in reality, and then they get away with it.

Offshore cash helped fund Steve Bannon's attacks on Hillary Clinton

Robert Mercer, whose spending assisted Donald Trump’s election win, used tax haven of Bermuda to avoid US taxes

www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/07/steve-bannon-bermuda-robert-mercer

Eighteen months before guiding Donald Trump to election victory, Steve Bannon delivered the opening shot in the ruthless Republican campaign to paint their Democratic opponent as corrupt.

The future White House chief strategist produced a book in May 2015 accusing Hillary Clinton of trading favours for donations to her charitable foundation. Its questionable central charge, on the sale of a uranium company to Russia, recently became the subject of a House inquiry and feverish talk on conservative media.

But the financial arrangements of another foundation, which bankrolled Bannon’s creation of the book, Clinton Cash, have received less scrutiny.

Leaked documents and newly obtained public filings show how the billionaire Mercer family built a $60m war chest for conservative causes inside their family foundation by using an offshore investment vehicle to avoid US tax.

The offshore vehicle was part of a network of companies in the Atlantic tax haven of Bermuda led by Robert Mercer, the wealthy hedge-fund executive and Bannon patron whose spending helped put Trump in the White House and aided a resurgence of the Republican right.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 17:31

A reminder of Kushner's activities in the Middle East to date:

In May

Trump signs Kushner-negotiated $100B Saudi arms deal

edition.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/jared-kushner-saudi-arms-deal-lockheed-martin/index.html

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia (CNN)President Donald Trump signed a nearly $110 billion defense deal with Saudi Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud on Saturday, signaling the United States' renewed commitment to its alliance with the Gulf kingdom and desire to bolster its counterterrorism partnership.

The deal was finalized in part thanks to the direct involvement of Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law and senior adviser. He shocked a high-level Saudi delegation earlier this month when he personally called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson and asked if she would cut the price of a sophisticated missile detection system, according to a source with knowledge of the call.

In June

IS JARED KUSHNER PUNISHING QATAR OVER A SOURED REAL-ESTATE DEAL?

A new report shines light on the First Son-in-Law’s past dealings with the man who “owns” the sovereign state.

[...]The Intercept’s Ben Walsh, Ryan Grim, and Clayton Swisher report that beginning in 2015, before Kushner sold his stake in 666 Fifth Avenue to work in the White House, he and his father, Charles, negotiated directly with former Qatar prime minister turned billionaire investor Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani, a.k.a. H.B.J., to refinance the property. Of H.B.J., the former emir of Qatar once said, “I may run this country, but he owns it.” According to The Intercept, the billionaire “ultimately agreed to invest at least $500 million” through his investment firm Al Mirqab, on the condition that Kushner Companies secure additional outside refinancing. And in the wake of the election, the president’s in-laws had no shortage of people wanting to do business with them for, oh, no particular reason at all. One such party was an opaque Chinese insurance firm called Anbang, with ties to Beijing’s political elite. Unfortunately, Anbang pulled out in the wake of deafening cries of conflicts of interest, and with them, went H.B.J. All of which casts the president’s recent behavior toward Qatar—a key U.S. ally that hosts a major U.S. military base—in a somewhat troubling light.

On June 5, Saudi Arabia, the U.A.E., Egypt, and Bahrain suddenly “cut diplomatic and commercial ties with Qatar . . . accusing it of supporting terrorism, meddling in their internal affairs and advancing the agenda of regional foe Iran”—all allegations Qatar denies. The following day, Trump stunned lawmakers on both sides of the aisle by unexpectedly joining in on the Qatar-bashing. “During my recent trip to the Middle East I stated that there can no longer be funding of Radical Ideology. Leaders pointed to Qatar - look!” he tweeted. And: “So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off. They said they would take a hard line on funding extremism, and all reference was pointing to Qatar. Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism!”

cozietoesie · 07/11/2017 17:56

Jefferson Beauregard will doubtless have yet another failure of memory.

I have to say that I’ve wondered before how a man with such a spectacularly poor memory, prone to bouts of confusion as well (If you recall), can hold down the position that he does? Wink

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 18:16

In the little man’s words himself...I do not recall Grin

cozietoesie · 07/11/2017 18:30

Well. I do declare, Pain. Grin

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2017 18:39

You couldn't make it up. Yet another one. Sad

Trump to nominate notorious anti-feminist to be ‘Ambassador for Women’
thinkprogress.org/penny-nance-ambassador-women-4b6cd92e57c6/amp/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 18:47

It’s hideous north

This might put a smile on your face

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WkFsgU_WLko

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 18:49

Renato Mariotti
Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
Syria just joined the Paris Climate Accord. Thanks to Trump, we are now the only country in the world that’s opposed. What an embarrassment.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 18:51

Bill Browder
Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
Putin’s objective is to create so much chaos in the west that we’re too busy infighting to focus on his stealing

How Putin is reshaping Russia in his own image

beta.wikitribune.com/story/2017/11/07/russia/__trashed-29/17028/

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 18:53

Susan Hennessey
@Susan_Hennessey
Additional data point for @nedprice's thread: Pompeo capitulated to WH pressure to try to kill @nytimes Russia story www.axios.com/exclusive-spicer-arranged-sat-in-on-cia-gop-intelligence-push-back-2288082248.html

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer personally picked up the phone and connected outside officials with reporters to try to discredit a New York Times article about Trump campaign aides' contact with Russia, then remained on the line for the brief conversations, Axios has learned. Ten key points:

Why it matters: The new details show how determined the West Wing was to rebut a front-page Times report on Feb. 15 that Trump campaign aides "had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election."
Who was involved: The officials reached by Spicer were CIA Director Mike Pompeo and Senate Select Intelligence Committee Chair Richard Burr (R-N.C), according to a senior administration official. The reporters were from The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal, the official said. Spicer provided reporters' phone numbers to House Intelligence Committee Chair Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), who offered to make the calls himself, according to the official: "He was in and out of an event."

TheNorthWestPawsage · 07/11/2017 18:54

Pain Grin

Lordy! Ah hope ah recall where the tv is!

This will be must-see TV. Will House members allow Sessions to sidestep giving direct answers to their questions, as Senators did?
twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/927965430517501953

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 07/11/2017 18:59

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT RUSSIAN MONEY….

www.byline.com/column/67/article/1931

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