Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Manafort Destiny? Trump continued

986 replies

PerkingFaintly · 30/10/2017 13:07

Where will the charges against Manafort lead? Whose shredders are overheating today? And most importantly, when will the Tweetstorm-from-the-loo start?

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3061258-FMOTUS-F-ing-Moron-of-the-United-States-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

OP posts:
Thread gallery
58
TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/11/2017 21:42

On Lawrence O'Donnell's The Last Word

Nadya from @pussyrrriot issues a warning: "I hear from Donald Trump the same words about media that Putin was using for 17 years." #LastWord
twitter.com/thelastword/status/926648747592900609

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/11/2017 21:51

My DH has family in Hawaii - I love them so much!

Donald Trump mocked by Hawaiians holding 'welcome to Kenya' signs
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-hawaii-protest-welcome-to-kenya-birtherism-obama-asia-tour-a8037801.html?amp

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 04/11/2017 21:54

Boris Johnson in spotlight as questions raised over Russian influence on UK

Foreign secretary among three ministers targeted by people linked to FBI investigation into Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Moscow

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/04/boris-johnson-brexit-russia-trump

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/11/2017 22:17

Do you think Mr Mueller could make time to look into Boris and Brexit for us as well?

cozietoesie · 04/11/2017 23:54

Good letter.

cozietoesie · 05/11/2017 00:09

I forgot. Yesterday (UK time) was November 4 - did anything happen?

7Days · 05/11/2017 00:46

Does anyone know about the Kennedy papers that were due to be released?

badbadhusky · 05/11/2017 00:53

Probably being saved for a day when POTUS really needs to bury some bad news. Not the daily run of the mill desecration of democracy or scandal, you understand. Nope. It’s proper ‘rainy day’ stuff.

lionheart · 05/11/2017 01:58

The last thing I read said more releases were planned over the coming weeks and months, 7days. Probably to coincide with other stuff, as bad says. Smile

www.rawstory.com/2017/11/trump-administration-demands-supreme-court-punish-aclu-lawyers-who-helped-teen-migrant-get-abortion/

lionheart · 05/11/2017 02:03

Trump is to meet with Putin on this trip, it seems.

TheClaws · 05/11/2017 02:25

It appears nothing happened, Cozie. All the chest-thumping was just that, luckily.

I have to say I was very surprised with the revelation that Reverse Fascism (antifa) is part of a larger group that is avowedly Communist. That is as obviously as extreme left as you can be, but I’d think many people would be uncomfortable with that.

TheClaws · 05/11/2017 04:37

Donald Trump warns 'dictators' as Japan visit launches Asia tour
(Lacks insight to include himself in this group)

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/05/donald-trump-arrives-in-japan-on-asia-tour

TheClaws · 05/11/2017 06:09

Not sure if this has already been posted ... three GOP Republicans have introduced a measure calling for Mueller’s resignation.

www.politico.com/story/2017/11/03/house-republicans-robert-mueller-resignation-244517

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 06:42

Nothing happened because there weren’t huge antifa gatherings and so there was nothing to fight back against. It was all an attempt to stir up discord (and sell Alex Jones merchandise Hmm)

Far-right disinformation
The exception to this lies on the opposite end of the spectrum, on the far right, where rumors of a “civil war” launched by “Antifa” (anti-fascist) groups have been circulating for over a month.

The main driver of these rumors was far-right radio host Alex Jones, whose InfoWars conspiracy site ran an alarmist report on September 29, claiming that “Antifa plans ‘civil war’ to overthrow the government.”

The article itself was deceptive, most notably in the use of the phrase “civil war,” which was placed in quotation marks in both the headline and the lede. This suggests it was Antifa activists who had used the phrase in connection with November 4; in fact, it was drawn from the title of a pamphlet published in 2005 by Revolutionary Communist leader Bob Avakian.

The article also conflated the RefuseFascism group with Antifa, and interpreted the November 4 protests as “nationwide riots”, based on the RefuseFascism statement. As we have seen, the group itself proclaimed its attachment to non-violence; while this should not be taken at face value, the protestors’ methodology of posters, stickers and chalk does not add up to a serious physical threat.

The InfoWars piece was picked up by a number of other sites over the following days, and was shared over 45,000 times on social media, principally Facebook.

Response to the various posts was vocal and aggressive, with commentators calling for the demonstrators to “die a coward’s death” and urging one another to “rid our country of this scourge.”

On October 27, Jones, whose site offers for sale a variety of merchandise aimed at conspiracy theorists, announced the sale of a “limited edition” series of T-shirts designed to “trigger [i.e. provoke] the commie alt-left during their scheduled anti-Trump protests this November 4th”.

Separately, an anonymous far-right troll and bot herder known as “Microchip” posted on the Gab social network a call for disinformation targeting the demonstrations. Gab is a preferred platform for far-right internet users who have been banned from Twitter.

“Microchip” rose to prominence during the 2016 U.S. election for his ability to coordinate large numbers of bots and online activists. As of October 2017, the user appeared to have been blocked from Twitter, but predicted his return in time for November 4.

Many of the references are to classic disinformation tactics — for example, accusing the Left of wanting white people killed and being terrorists. The phrase “like we did with Antifa” suggests that the user makes a distinction between the groups, which Jones did not.

The reference to petitioning Congress harks back to a genuine petition for which the same user took credit, immediately after the Charlottesville clashes, calling for anti-fascist groups to be labeled as terrorists.

An intriguing sidelight on the difference in approach between the far right and far left shines from a post “Microchip” made on October 28, again commenting on the need to create “false flag” operations on November 4.

The phrase “I think more time online and less IRL [in real life] is the answer” stands in striking contrast to the methodology proposed by the far left, with its heavy emphasis on “real-life” tools such as posters, billboards, and banners; it also reflects the far right’s known preference for online memes.

The “massive nationwide protests” called for November 4 appear unlikely to involve the numbers which the organizers have predicted. Online response to the RefuseFascism events has been muted; those who have already expressed an interest in events number in the low thousands, spread across the country.

There are some warning signs of potential violence, in the shape of CrimeThinc’s call for “fighting formations”; however, the group has expressed no interest in the November 4 demonstrations.

On the far right, InfoWars’ warning of a “civil war” spread widely online, and was welcomed with aggressive language. There is a significant difference between violent speech and violent action, but the threat of clashes cannot be ruled out.

The likeliest danger, however, appears to be in the information space. On both sides, activists have called for disinformation and “false flag” operations designed to demonize the far left or demoralize the far right. Such exercises are far easier to manage than physical confrontations: they can be handled remotely rather than “in real life,” they are cheap to create, and they can easily be amplified by online communities and bots.

Internet users should therefore exercise particular caution when viewing any reports of clashes at or around the demonstrations. Activists on both sides have expressed an interest in spreading fakes; the first step towards preventing it is to be aware of the danger.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 06:45

ICIJ
@ICIJorg
Are you ready for our next project? Make sure you've signed up to get our news alerts: bit.ly/2ysGzKe

Mike McIntire
@mmcintire
Remember the Panama Papers? There’s been another leak. Stay tuned. It’s good.

Emma Best
@NatSecGeek
Can confirm. =)

Eric Lipton
@EricLiptonNYT
Remember Panama Papers? ICIJ is getting ready for another global journalism bombshell...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 06:47

Julie Davis
@juliehdavis
Per pool, Trump expects to meet with Putin on the sidelines of Asian summit next week, sez, "We want Putin’s help on North Korea"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 06:49

Ryan J. Reilly
@ryanjreilly
Trump, fresh off bashing the U.S. justice system, is "very much" looking forward to meeting Philippines President Duterte, per WH pool.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 06:54

The New York Times
@nytimes
Breaking News: Saudi Arabia arrests at least 11 princes in an apparent move to consolidate power for the king's son

t.co/FcXjNQeg9J?amp=1

Caroline O.
@RVAwonk
Remember how Jared Kushner just took a trip to Saudi Arabia? And how the Trump administration wouldn't say why he was there...? 👀

Yashar Ali 🐘
@yashar
Big...One of the world's richest men, a vocal Trump critic, and member of the Saudi Royal family has been arrested
www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/11/04/billionaire-saudi-prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-arrested-in-corruption-crackdown-local-reports.html

Pé Resists
@4everNeverTrump
Timeline:

  1. Kushner travels to Saudi Arabia
  2. Trump asks Saudi Arabia to have Aramco's IPO in USA
  3. Saudis arrest prominent Trump critic
TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/11/2017 08:53

Well, this could get interesting.
(Hope they've packed the tinfoil MAGA hats)

U.S. officials fear North Korea will greet Trump with missile test
A launch or nuclear explosion would fit Kim Jong Un’s pattern of provoking carefully timed crises, experts say.
www.politico.com/story/2017/11/04/trump-asia-trip-north-korea-244541

lionheart · 05/11/2017 09:11

Jim Acosta‏Verified account
@Acosta
Follow Follow @Acosta
More
Trump to reporters on AF1: "the reason our stock market is so successful is because of me. I’ve always been great with money"

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/11/2017 09:12

www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/11/05/national/politics-diplomacy/trump-said-japan-shot-overflying-north-korea-missiles/

Trump questioned Japan’s decision not to shoot down the missiles when he met or spoke by phone with leaders from Southeast Asian countries over recent months to discuss how to respond to the threats from North Korea, the sources said.

The U.S. president said he could not understand why a country of samurai warriors did not shoot down the missiles, the sources said.

Swipe left for the next trending thread