To think Trump voters are judged in fairly?

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I was out for dinner the other night with my mate, his old buisness friend from New York (she was in London for buisness) and a few others. Anyway talk got to politics and she said I voted for Trump. Well the table when silent (sort of like that Harry Enfield Women Know Your Limits video when the woman expresses a political opinion of her own).

Anyway it got me thinking and challenging the stereotype of a 'typical' Trump supporter. This lady is no redneck, she is a lovely, kind, highly educated and intelligent lady. When I think about it in effectively a two party system were you can either vote A or B is voting for Trump that looney? Trump is rightfully vilified but was Clinton wrongfully given a free ride? Is she not a sinister figure herself? People who live in glass houses spring to mind.

Look at the alternative, Clinton. Someone who was backed finanialy by people who oppress women, oppress homosexuality and genrally oppress human rights. She is a woman that often made provocative threats to start conflicts against countries like Iran. Someone I see as quite a sinister character with fingers in many pies. Most of all a vote for Hillary was a vote for no change (which is fine if your happy with the status quo).

I sort of see being a voter at the time as being stuck between a rock and a hard place. So if your an American who has been disenfranchised, have not benefited from or felt forgotten about by the last administration would you vote for more of the same? Or would you take a chance on someone who offers change? Personally I think Trump is a complete disaster and a massive turd. But I think we fail to understand many of the people who voted for him. Instead we just demonise them all as thick bigoted rednecs. We blame the voters but I see Trump as the symptom not the cause of America's problems. In a way I see his election as symptomatic of the failure of the last administration for many Americans. So why would anyone who felt failed by their government vote for more of the same? Oddly I think many people who voted for Trump would have voted for Burnie given the option (as if the powers that be in the democrats would have ever let him stand).

Well (and this is much clearer in retrospect), Clinton was a terrible candidate and the US therefore reap the benefits of their two horse system.

The Republicans put up an offensive candidate, the Democrats put up a very problematic one. So I get that people may have felt caught between a rock and a hard place. If you lean Republican in the first place, I see how you may have made that decision. Not saying it's right, but I get it.

There's a substantial proportion of the population who voted Obama last time and Trump this time. It's important to try and understand the mentality of that voter - and how the political system encouraged such radically different choices from the same voter.

Laurie "There's a substantial proportion of the population who voted Obama last time and Trump this time."

Also love to hear views on what might be behind that. I find it hard to imagine switching a vote from Obama to Trump, not just because of the personalities, but crossing the floor politically.

Even according to Fox News, trumps approval ratings have dropped massively.

Well, who knew he'd turn out to be such an arse?

So if your an American who has been disenfranchised, have not benefited from or felt forgotten about by the last administration would you vote for more of the same?

If you're disenfranchised and forgotten - and I have no doubt many are - why would you vote for a billionaire republican?

As opposed to a party that introduced universal healthcare and supports the unions?

Why “ disenfranchised “ white voters voted for Trump is both a mystery and understandable (don’t get me started on black voter suppression in US).

Could ask the same question about why voters in, say , Merthyr, who obviously benefit hugely from EU inward investment, voted Leave.

Trumpet isn't a republican, he is a greedy, crass, disgusting, egotistical joke, he just does his own version of politics!

Boney I’d be interested to know what part of either of my messages suggested that I wasn’t interested in getting to the bottom of why Trump won. I really am interested.

I just don’t have time for the ad hominem attacks used by right wing commentators and trolls. What’s that saying about getting into an argument with a pig?

Most people who voted Trump are not extreme right wingers. They are single issue voters.

What is is interesting is watching interviews with Trump voters. Almost all of them say that they mostly disagree with him or are’t that sure about him BUT he represents their views on abortion/gay marriage/the military/immigration/NAFTA- delete as applicable.

Lots of people have been promised the moon on a stick. I imagine they will be very disappointed when it doesn’t work out.

Luckily for Trump, there is a whole army of Russian intelligence bots out on the internet defending him and spinning his crappy record.

So if your an American who has been disenfranchised, have not benefited from or felt forgotten about by the last administration would you vote for more of the same?

Sorry but this is a ridiculous question. Left out of what exactly? The majority of Trump voters are middle class privileged white people who actually are in fairly comfortable circumstances. Some of them may feel left out because the US is increasingly becoming much more diverse and multicultural but they certainly have not been disenfranchised.

There is no possibility of being too harsh on a Trump voter.

His acceptance of Nazi youth on American soil is a clear indicator of that.

Hilary was not the ideal candidate. However, the gap between the two is immense and grows wider everyday.

Trump voters are not smart.

But if you can even consider voting for such a lunatic, it's no wonder the bar for what you consider an "intelligent" person must be really low.

If you're disenfranchised and forgotten - and I have no doubt many are - why would you vote for a billionaire republican?

Same in the UK - the disenfranchised voted for bloody brexit and any economic fall out hits the poor the hardest.

"They didn't all vote for him because they hate Mexicans."

No, but they were very happy to be on the side of people who do. And those who want women to stay at home (evangelical Christians). And those who hate immigrants etc.

And that is the problem. A white person who votes for a racist is a racist even if they dont see themselves as one. A women who votes for a misogynist is a misogynist even if she doesn't see herself as one. Trump voters may not be stupid in the most basic sense of the word but if they are happy to put a man in the White House who supports police profiling black people because they are black, then they cannot escape the consequences of those associations. It is stupid to be racist. It is also stupid to vote for one and then say you are not racist.

Before we’re all feeling superior about Trump voters we need to explain why some of the most disadvantaged people in UK voted Leave. They must know Westminster will not cough up the money for them that the EU has coughed up. And why middle class voters voted Leave when the risk to our economy is so great.
As a pp said, people voted Trump to deliver on the issue they cared about. The fact he’s delivering nothing should start to hit home soon. Even Fox shows him with historically low ratings today.

Hilary was not the ideal candidate. However, the gap between the two is immense and grows wider everyday. I loathe her with a passion so some undecided voters must have felt the same.

^before we’re all feeling superior about Trump voters we need to explain why some of the most disadvantaged people in UK voted Leave*

Don't feel superior to them, feel pissed off with them. Don't feel there's a great mystery at all- lack of political intelligence seems to cover it.

No.

Are you doing a school project? I sincerely hope not because your OP is so wildly inaccurate, you're not going to do very well.

Maybe come back and post when you've put some proper thought into what you're asking and have some credible sources to back up your claims.

How many posters on here who are slagging off Americans for voting for Trump also voted Leave?
I voted Remain in case it’s not obvious. Trump voters see Leave voters as their political kin.

We have to say trump voters are intelligent now.
Brilliant.

Many of them are. Wishing black is white doesn't make it so. Of course you could redefine the word "intelligent" if you wish but it would be helpful if you told the rest of us what the word now means in the context of this argument. Meanwhile calling them all stupid and thick is exactly what Trump and Bannon want you to do.

Trumpet isn't a republican, he is a greedy, crass, disgusting, egotistical joke, he just does his own version of politics!

He may not have been a republican for much of his life and he is certainly not a typical republican but he ran on the republican ticket and the republican party owns him. Very very few republicans have really stood up to him or contradicted some of his more egregious statements and acts. McCain and the junior senator from Arizona and Bob Corker are a small minority who have. As long as the republicans don't repudiate him, he is their president and their problem. He and Bannon are finishing the damage to the republicans that started with the tea party.

Republicans want to get their agenda through and don’t care about the offence Trump causes . We’ll see what happens at the mid terms; whether people vote Republican because of or in spite of Trump In enough numbers to keep the senate majority for the GOP.

Brexit was exactly the same problem. The Leave campaign promised everything to everyone, and much of their support was single issue voters - who were all voting for incompatible things.

Add in the racist vote, not to mention those who wanted to "give it to the man" (thinking that their vote wouldn't count anyway), and there you have it!

YABU. They made a spectacular error of judgement that has put the world on the brink of nuclear war, potentially WW3. I think they are being judged pretty accurately as it happens.

It's almost as if people voting for a racist sexist dangerous baby man don't want to be seen as agreeing with him and are offended by that?

This does amuse me. The argument being that although someone voted for Trump, they'd done some magic thinking meaning they didn't actually vote for Trump.

The surprisingly and cunning response I'd make is that if someone has voted for Trump, they have, actually, voted for Trump.

I wonder if the Republican tax bill will get passed. It's definitely not proceeding smoothly, and not b/c of Dem. opposition, either. It's Republicans who are baulking at what it will mean.

I have to share this with someone. :)

"I loathe her with a passion so some undecided voters must have felt the same."

Indeed. The same people also shot a gun in pizza joint as it was apparently the location of a democrat paedophile ring. And that Sandy Hook was a Hillary plot to take the good ol' folks guns and that no kids died.