Paying £100's for mongrels

[dimondjedi9]

All I have seen on Facebook is adverts selling so called ‘designer’ puppies for ridiculous amounts of money.
All these Jackerpoos, cockerpoo, yorkieshit etc are basically mongrels, it amazes me why people would pay £700+ for a mongrel.
The definition of mongrel is:
Any animal resulting from the crossing of different breeds or types.
We rescued our little Westie from travellers, she had been bred and bred until she became of no use, the amount of different puppies they were selling was unreal, crossing them with everything.
Surely the worry will be that if these dogs keep being inbred all the time then the true breed will disappear, Facebook should ban the selling of any animal, especially on the run up to xmas!

I like to see animals in pet shops at high prices.

Are you serious?

The last place anyone who cares about the welfare of animals should buy a dog is a pet shop. No reputable breeder or pet owner would pass puppies on to a pet shop to be sold. These poor animals have undoubtedly had the worst possible start to life.

And far from 'stopping impulse buying', it does the opposite and encourages irresponsible idiots to buy puppies on a whim.

Not all working cockers are nuts. We had a super little dog, one of the steadiest, bravest gun dogs we’ve had. Know lots of working cockers, both workers and pets and they’ve been fine. Like a pp said, if you’ve put the training in they’re no harder than any other breed. Ours was a determined little worker, happy out in the field all day or snoozing round the house. He was my little shadow, that dog. Was devastated when he died.

At least if people are paying hundreds of pounds for a dog you know they are serious about having a dog, more likely to have put a bit more thought into it and have the disposable income to properly look after it and deal with vets fees etc.

I unfortunately don't think this is absolutely true. People who want a particular designer breed/cross seem prepared to pay for it, but not prepared to wait/research a good breeder. People pay then realise later that it was a puppy farm. There's an ongoing case on another forum where the pup died (Parvo) and the owner realise send it had been a puppy farm. I'm forever seeing this type of thread on petforums. :(

And as a pp said, more designer crosss are turning up in rescues because they're hard to cope with when temperament was ignored at the point of breeding.

We have a Springer who is KC registered (sort-of rescued from an old school friend). She's an absolute dickhead. Lovely dog but as stupid as the day is long. I wonder often if it's because of inbreeding that she's a bit of a spanner or if she'd always have been like it. Our previous dog was a collie, greyhound, lurcher cross mongrel and the brightest dog I've ever met, even later in life.

The best thing about the Springer is her recall; it's incredible. As far as common sense goes she's got none.

Cross breeds are better than pure breeds. They're healthier for one. I'd never buy a pure breed pedigree.

Well good for fucking you, being able to go and pick up a random rescue. We can't all do that.
I have chronic allergies and have NEVER managed to be in the same room as a dog without looking like I'd gone five rounds with Mike Tyson and unable to breathe for a good couple of days. I love animals and have always, always wanted to have them.
The lhasa apso x poodle has been my only chance of owning a dog, and I love him so much. He brings our family so much joy.

**I still can't bring myself to call him a lhasapoo though

To the person asking about working vs show lines there is a huge difference. We have a rescue mongrel now but looked at getting a Labrador puppy initially and the difference is so marked to my layman's eye they may as well be 2 different breeds.

Cross breeds are better than pure breeds. They're healthier for one. I'd never buy a pure breed pedigree.

Please read the full thread.

OP there are lots of words that have dictionary definitions, and are used derogatively. Mongrel is one of them, and you are using it exactly in that way. That says more about you than the dogs or their owners and breeders.

I don't get the cross breed snobbery........all pedigrees are cross breeds of some sort, not always for the benefit of the dog either.

My friend has Australian labradoodles and paid a fortune for them. Absolutely worth the money she paid and are clearly a.standard breed (( ie they all have the same look )) the Australian doodle has been bred for years, firstly as guide dogs for blind, allergy sufferers. They were bred for their temprament and hair type yet are looked down on for some silly reason.

These are completely different to a mini poodle crossed with a labrador which is what people are happily paying thousands for and have no idea what they'll end up with.

I have 2 pedigree male dogs. I got them as I wanted dogs with particular breed characteristics, coat and size. It took me a very long time to find breeders of each because I wanted to ensure that each breeder (they are different breeds) had done thorough health testing as well as selecting suitable studs for temperament etc.

My dogs are exactly what I wanted in health, size etc etc. However.... getting healthy and suitable puppies is only the very beginning of the journey. The work starts when the pup comes home. It won't train itself or walk itself. It's like having a new baby, you can't just stick it in a corner and hope it turns out in 20 odd years as a qualified doctor or accountant. Unfortunately though, that's what many people tend to do - unhousetrained dogs that bark and have separation anxiety, and then the poor dog eventually ends up as a rescue.

We need a whole re-think on dog ownership. There needs to be a commitment from anyone taking on a new dog to attend training courses that are supported by the whole family. Training should be offered as an ongoing option, with support when needed. There's so much wrong with current dog ownership that it's a massive mountain to climb. All we can do is climb it bit by bit.

I don't see why a cross bred should cost less to healthy raise than a pure bred. Assuming both parents are pedigrees for their respective breeds, then why should anyone pay less for the puppies from 2 different pedigree parents than from parents with the same pedigree.

Why would the costs drop? Or are you assuming crosses are always a 'mistake' and breeders are just trying to get rid of them cheap to anyone who'll take them?

So if we want to buy a pup can someone tell me a checklist to go through.I maybe niavely thought pedigree wad best!so have learned something.

Choosenone that is awful, there are so many back yard breeders they are all over Facebook, I remember the bbc doing a documentary about them and it was heartbreaking,!

The most important thing in choosing a pet is to get one with a nice temperament which will suit your lifestyle and where you can see it's come from a caring and clean environment. Pets can enhance your life in all sorts of ways which money cannot buy whereas spending on false nails and eyelashes and bottle blond bleach is just a waste of money, in my opinion.

I dislike the comical names and I dislike some of the crosses, crossing breeds for looks when they have clashing temperaments. Then again I also dislike certain pedigree breeds with accentuated defects or popular breeds that are badly bred.

A happy healthy dog should be the most important thing (even if it does come with a silly name 😂)

Firstly work out if you have the time and money for a dog - they're a 15 year commitment if you're lucky.

Secondly think what size dog you want and how realistically active your household is. Working dogs and working mixes - especially herding breeds - need brain training as well as wearing out physically.

Then work out what dog fits those needs

Lastly prepare for love fun and foul dog farts

How does the next generation of designer dogs work? Will a cockerpoo mating with another cockerpoo produce a better 'design' or will 2nd generation crosses have watered-down characteristics and thus be less desirable?

That's a bit full on, Gubbins.

A relative has 3 dogs. One is elderly & ill, one is almost middle aged, the youngest is about 3yo.

Nobody walks them (not at moment, I'm told there are plans to change that... one day.. I think it's pants, too, but...)
I don't think they've had any much training.
The young one is half husky & something else large.

They are lovely pooches, friendly, over-excited at meeting a new person but what nice dog isn't? Then they settle down fine. No anxiety & very little barking. The part husky does a cute very muted half-howl a few times a day. They may get in rubbish if no one is looking, I suppose. Don't ask me why they aren't nightmare dogs -- they just aren't. Makes me wonder about quality of a lot of Internet dog advice.

I recently saw a 'Bassador ' which was a basket hound crossed with a Labrador!!

And a curly hair chihuahua

My crossbreed is incredibly healthy. She is a happy dog and full of vitality despite nearly being nine. When I compare to dsis's pure breed lab from a highly respected KC registered breeder, there's no contest. My ddog is by far healthier. Having said that ddog's doppelganger who lives nearby has been plagued with health issues. It's luck of the drawer I think.

Why do people choose to be dog breeders

Had a discussion earlier about this & furniture / clothes based charity shops, with how much they mark up things they get for free.

I understand they need to make money, but I think about those who can't afford stuff (although I know all sorts use such shops) it doesn't seem fair. Surely you'd be grateful the animal was homed somewhere loving.

Like if they sold clothes & sundries, you can get more stock out. If you didn't have much back up, then possible mark up a bit. Or as vintage is more popular, mark up branded stuff as vintage shop owners will buy it to sell on. (There is the other side that they need to make profit)

With animals though £100 is crazy.

It's not easy getting a dog from a rescue they do all kinds of assessments and with a child that has autism we wanted a puppy he could grow up with we got our beagle a few months ago shes lovely if a bit daft , ironically we found three abandoned puppies a couple of weeks ago and too them straight to out local rescue centre they haven't been advertised yet so u assume they have already been rescued ?

NumberEightyOne
For several decades, there was an attempt top turn the labrador x poodle into a reliable breed. It failed & they've given up trying. that does not mean they have stopped using the cross breed as a guide dog for people who are allergic.
A labradoodle is a cross between two breeds, a labrador and a poodle. In each litter you can get pups that look like Labradors and shed, or have the poodle coat but dont have the working ability to pass training.
They need both qualities to be a guide dog.

For these designer crosses to exist, there still has to be healthy stock of each bred. Someone has to breed the cocker spaniels and the poodles to produce the cross breed.
The offspring are not a reliable breed or type, they can be more like one parent or the other. And they can be unhealthy if the parents are unhealthy.
If the breeder you buy from uses poodles but doesnt health test them, they are unscrupulous.
Look at the recommended DNA screening for Standard poodles;
www.vipoodle.org/PDF_Files/TestsforStandardPoodles.pdf

www.dogbreedhealth.com/poodle-standard/

Progressive Retinal Atrophy (prcd-PRA)
Von Willebrands Disease (vWD) type 1
Degenerative Myelopathy (DM)
Osteochondrodysplasia (OCD)
Mucopolysaccaridosis (MPS)
Thrombocytopaenia

Its 6 separate tests; but they only need to be done once for each breeding dog. How many 'designer doodle' breeders bother at all?