Paying £100's for mongrels

[dimondjedi9]

All I have seen on Facebook is adverts selling so called ‘designer’ puppies for ridiculous amounts of money.
All these Jackerpoos, cockerpoo, yorkieshit etc are basically mongrels, it amazes me why people would pay £700+ for a mongrel.
The definition of mongrel is:
Any animal resulting from the crossing of different breeds or types.
We rescued our little Westie from travellers, she had been bred and bred until she became of no use, the amount of different puppies they were selling was unreal, crossing them with everything.
Surely the worry will be that if these dogs keep being inbred all the time then the true breed will disappear, Facebook should ban the selling of any animal, especially on the run up to xmas!

Many poodle breeders are worried about this fake. They would normally breed to bring a pup on for show, and sell the ones which aren't suitable. Now very few people want poodle puppies - they want cockerpoos, labradoodles, shipoos, westiepoos - you name it, some tosser will be prepared to breed it.

DJBaggySmalls
Actually Guide Dogs for the Blind do use Labradoodles. They mainly use crossbreeds as they have found they are the best combination. They cross Labradors with Retrievers. So the lovely clever Guide Dogs we all see are actually the much maligned 'designer crossbreed.'

Don't tell the cat haha but once he eventually dies , I am going to fill the house with retired greyhounds , I like the fact they keep the sofa warm and you can just wander in and slide under half of one , like a knee muff if you like ( that and the occasional hoover grooming )

The problem is when something becomes fashionable. People buy in to the hype and don't seem to realise that they haven't got a fancy made up breed of dog but a crossbreed. I have nothing against cross breeds - I have a lab x springer. I paid £120 for him, because he was a cross. I have since found out that most people pay upwards of £450 for them because they are Springadors!! Not much more than that would get you a proper lab (or springer)

Fool and their money.

frumpety

Get a Cardigan Corgi/ Greyhound cross

A Greycardigan

There's one by us danadas - just looks like a pedigree lab, but slightly smaller than our springer (though much broader in the chest). He's a little smasher!

Outcrossing is invaluable (see Dalmatian purine issue) but needs careful regulating and the KC should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for refusing to accept a line of dallies due to a different breed being used to eliminate a serious health issue generations ago.

LUA Dalmatians are now accepted by the KC, it didn't happen without a lot of fuss but the LUA lines are now registrable. 2011 was the first year a LUA Dalmatian was shown at Crufts. There are a few breeders in the UK who are focussing on LUA lines, Tyrodal and Dalstorm are a couple that come to mind.

The KC do have a lot to answer for though, their head in the sand attitude with regards to genetic diversity within breeds is infuriating.

Yoda

Just in answer to couple of previous questions, yes of course both parents have been health tested, extensively, but I know many are not.

We also have a lifetime guarantee with the litter, if for any reason the new owners cannot keep their dog then we will take it back and take responsibility for it ourselves.

All new owners also have to sign a non breeding contract too and they vetted extensively.

I would like to see the bulldog disappear, it's very existence is animal cruelty. Give me a mongrel any day. Also, cross breeds are the very opposite of 'inbred'.

But the bulldog has been bred to be unhealthy. A hundred years ago, bulldogs could breathe better, although their flat faces were designed so they could grab and hold onto a bull.

A mongrel is not necessarily healthier than a well-bred pedigree and I think that this is the crux of the mongrel/pedigree debate. People automatically think that pedigree=health problems, but as Cornflake has very clearly explained, that is not necessarily true. Yes, some breeds have been over-designed and are now suffering due to their popularity, but health testing will eliminate these issues.

Plenty of cross breeds are inbred: look at the F1 labradoodles, many from the same gene pool. Many breeders keep back a bitch to breed, possibly back to a close relative who produced a cracking litter of
money spinners puppies earlier. Saying that a cross breed is healthier/better than a pedigree means you ignore multiple factors regarding the back story/health tests.

danadas my mum has a Springer/Lab. She calls him a Splab. 🤣

Has anyone else noticed a difference between dogs that have come from show stock and those that are bred to do a job ? thinking of Labradors especially , although I had a foreign bred HPR breed that seemed to be healthier and sturdier and less neurotic than ones I have met bred from UK lines ?

Scientists have recently invented a very intelligent new breed. They mated a Curly-coated Retriever with a Labrador, and made

A Labcoat

YABU. Cross breeds are much healthier. Expensive prices hopefully put off those less serious about owning a dog.
I'm hugely against breeding dogs that have not only health problems inherent in their physicality, but ones whose natural behaviour is restricted by it. If a dog can't even climb over an obstacle because its legs are too short, or breaks a leg jumping from a low height because its bones are too fragile, that's a pretty freakish thing to have done to the 'domestic wolf' for fashion.
So, the more cross-breeding and the more dogs return to a more generic, wolfy type, the better, I think. Crufts has lost Royal patronage hasn't it, due to the horrendous in-breeding side-effects?

Schaden - if I hadn't have seen him with his Mum (a liver and white Springer) I would have sworn he was a full lab. Same size and build and completely black. He has a springer brain though. He is lovely but needs to have a job to do or he would be a nightmare I'd imagine!

Yoda

I have a Jack Shit. He's fab. Husband likes to be posh and call him a jack zu, but common old me goes for jack shit everytime.

LUA Dalmatians are now accepted by the KC, it didn't happen without a lot of fuss but the LUA lines are now registrable. 2011 was the first year a LUA Dalmatian was shown at Crufts.

I'm behind the times! Wonders who Cornflake is on HHO

Just in answer to couple of previous questions, yes of course both parents have been health tested, extensively, but I know many are not.
We also have a lifetime guarantee with the litter, if for any reason the new owners cannot keep their dog then we will take it back and take responsibility for it ourselves. All new owners also have to sign a non breeding contract too and they vetted extensively.

As all good breeders should do. I would ask again, tho, why that cross?

I worry that some breeders have chosen this cross purely due to being able to charge silly money because they're fashionable. I don't know how much poodles are, but I'm a gundog girl and I know how much a well-bred cocker with plenty of FtCH on the pedigree and thorough health testing goes for.

At least if people are paying hundreds of pounds for a dog you know they are serious about having a dog, more likely to have put a bit more thought into it and have the disposable income to properly look after it and deal with vets fees etc.

From what I’ve read on here, rescues seem to make you jump through loads of hoops, it’s not as easy as some people seem to imply. I get why they do it, but I’ve read some threads in “the doghouse” where people ARE desperate to rescue but it just sounds so complicated. No wonder people are put off. Rescuing is not a simple thing to undertake. Like adopting a child. I’ve seen many people on the Internet say “just adopt!” like you can walk in somewhere, pick out a child and leave. Your entire lifestyle is scrutinised. You can be rejected for the slightest reason. It can put serious strain on a relationship. Obviously I know that TTC can be incredibly difficult, but at least you don’t have external agencies scrutinising your lifestyle and stopping the pregnancy because of one or two details.

Plus, like with human adoption, people may not want an older dog with an unknown history. Obviously with a puppy/your own child there can be genetic issues you might not know about, but that’s different.

I've got a crossbreed who has hip dysplasia and skin problems. He was a combination of a disaster of a shepherd and a badly bred collie.

I really don't care if someone's dog is crossed or not as long as it's had the health tests relevant for that breed. So for a cockerpoo I would want the appropriate tests for the conditions prevelant in both breeds.

I also wouldn't rescue again (although We did rescue pre DC) as I want a particular temperament so I'm happy to pay the money for the dog that fits our family.

I have rehomed two working cocker spaniel dogs. Whilst there has been a post about hyperactivity, I find one is fairly hyper whereas the other is a real dog slob.

They did not come from a Dog Rescue Charity but from a private sale. She visited us twice before we both agreed to the rehome. Her reason was very genuine and we could see she struggled with the decision. I did not really care about the pedigree of the dog particularly just so long as they were healthy, happy and loved kids which they did.

I notice locally that many people go for pugs or cockerpoos who are very trendy at present. My MIL has a labradoodle who is huge, strong and completely wrong for an 81 year old lady and he came from a breeder.

I don't regret getting my two and the amount of comments they get when out and about is unbelievable, they are such happy, friendly chaps with their tails always wagging.

I had a comment only last week from a man carrying his elderly neighbours "designer" dog who was refusing to walk and shaking with fear when he saw my dogs. He came over to pat my two and said it was nice to see "proper dogs" whatever that might mean.

Then again, I don't have much love for dog breeders. Profiting from creating more dogs when there are so many dogs being killed because they can't find homes doesn't seem right.

I have a Cockerpoo. He's lovely and very well trained.
He goes to an agility class with two show spaniels that are so inbred it's like the lights aren't on.
We tried to adopt but couldn't find a dog that would work with two kids and two cats.
Actually these threads pop up every now and again and really really pass me off with their holier than though crap. Lots of badly bred pure beds in puppy farms as well as cross breeds. Lots of bad owners of both types too. A decent owner will do their research and do the training. Mine has been more or less for every week for three years because we all love it and he is the cleverest dog. His litter was bred as disabled aid dogs.

Stop generalising. Who are you that you get to judge?

You can always rescue a puppy from rescue centres if you don't have the resources or patience to deal with an older dog's issues.

Cross breeds are much healthier

Wait while I put this dysplastic Labrador to a neurotic poodle for a fantastic non-shedding dog which can't run or this beagle to a pug, to lengthen the nose, don'tcha know, but whoops, here's a dog who can't breathe linked to a scent hound who likes to ignore recalls.

Health testing!! Never mind the cross, never mind if it's pedigree or a Heinz57, ensure the parents are healthy to try to give the puppies the best possible future. This obviously eliminates some pedigrees before we've even started. (And some I'll-bred cross breeds)

There's a bloke in the Midlands who appears on a dog forum occasionally. He boards dogs and uses them as studs, unbeknownst to the owners. He produces horrific deformed crosses with Queen Anne legs, horrific body shapes. He doesn't health test. He's an idiot.