To think Jared O'Mara should resign as an MP

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/23/labour-mp-jared-omara-sheffield-hallam-sorry-girls-aloud-orgy
He made some terrible comments online in the past. Surely people don't change their character that much over time.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/10/25/all-sides-need-to-stop-using-sexism-as-a-political-pawn

Redtooth that's a very interesting link, thanks for posting it.

He comes across as a total jerk (even caught my eye at the count as a bit off..)

However I thought badly of Mhairi Black having seen her social media quotes - now she's one of my favourite parliamentarians.

Is it a growing up in a social media age thing? Past generations could dissemble more easily.

I thought his behaviour at the count was explained by his cerebral palsy but I’m not sure

We can all talk in circles around this issue but the very facts are the Tory party has not only had two women leaders but two women Prime Ministers, and if the party faithful has its way, it will have a third in Ruth Davidson, who is not only a woman, but a lesbian woman.

I see no such equality, or even a pretence to it, in the Labour party.

It's interesting to reflect upon why that is.

Well I'm sorry if that's the case. I thought he looked arrogant and could have worn a tie, (I'm old school.) I didn't see his speech. Which I just googled and he came across well in that tbh.

What a mess.

I do think there is a massive disconnect between what is considered normal speech in different groups. I have a teenager who is out in that clubbing world and I just cringe at stuff I hear.

Whatever your thoughts about Thatcher, and if you're old enough to even answer the question, could you even concieve of the utterly male-dominated Labour party in the late 70s considering a female leader?

Of course not. The Labour Party has always been dominated my men, and their concerns.

I remeber having this argument with men in the 80s and being told by Labour faithful that 'Thatcher isn't really a woman anyway', which told me all I needed to know about their views of women.

They haven't really changed.

I thought he looked arrogant and could have worn a tie, (I'm old school.)

Bercow excuses him wearing a tie at Westminster because of his cerebral palsy, which is fair enough.

But CP doesn't excuse any of his other behaviour. He really is a very unpleasant & misogynistic individual, unfortunately

He has been given special dispensation not to wear a shirt and tie in the House because he can’t do up the buttons or tie because of his CP:

Having two female PMs does not make you a woman friendly party. Are you aware of the proportion of female MPs in both parties?

No one is excusing his other behaviour because of his CP - that’s a pretty nasty and gratuitous remark to make

Is it?

Yes it is because there has not been one post that made such a suggestion re any such excuse for his comments - I would go so far as to say that your gratuitous comment was verging on the disabilist in fact in making up that spurious connection.

I couldn't give a shiny shite about quotas Bourdic, it's easy for the Labour Party to fill quotas, they're good at that.

But a woman leader? No Fucking chance.

It's easy to pay lip-service to an idea, to say, 'Yes we completely believe in the idea of equality', whilst demonstrably showing you couldn't be further from that in truth.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/25/senior-labour-figures-told-jared-omaras-heinous-comments-month/

Senior Labour figures were made aware of Jared O'Mara's "heinous" comments more than a month ago, the Telegraph can reveal, as Jeremy Corbyn suspended him from the party.

A party spokesman had previously claimed Labour was not told about the sexist, racist and misogynistic comments until this week, but an email has emerged showing the party's press office drafted a statement addressing the claims in September.

and

On September 20 an email, seen by this newspaper, shows he issued an on-the-record statement apologising for the remarks but appearing to make light of them by claiming the were made 13 years ago.

The email, sent by Labour's press office, read: "My language when posting on this music site 13 years ago is inappropriate. I regret the choice of words and apologise for any offence caused".

The union influence historically meant that women were meant to shut up and make the tea. Barbara Castle and Bessie Braddock before her were exceptions that proved the rule.

If you look into why councils ended up paying less to women than men the Unions were in on it!

Because I do believe a centre-right agenda puts the right person for the job there, the right are pragmatists. They don't give a shit about the sex, race or sexuality of the candidate.

They just believe the best person for the job.

Which is why they have far many more, ethnic minority, homosexual and women candidates than the left.

The left has an agenda based on the same quantifiers, but they must be measured, they aren't incidental, they are absolutes.

The left loves to separate us all. It loves to put us all in little boxes. Because if we can be quantified, we can be controlled.

This thread is beyond is beyond unreal.

A thread discussing Labour women who are plainly stating that they acknowledge the sexism within their own Party being told that it doesn't matter what the women say and think, what the women on this very thread and in newspapers are plainly stating, all that matters is the men and their views.

Absolutely disgusting.

Be anti-left if you want to be, I am anti-right. But if Conservative (or whatever Party) women were telling me something about their Pary in relation to sexism, which binds women regardless of party politics, I sincerely hope I'll acknowledge them instead of dismissing them as 'not in charge' or unaware of what is going on in their own bloody Party.

Ilike have you got the link to those figures please?

Which is why they have far many more, ethnic minority, homosexual and women candidates than the left.

Are you actually kidding? With regards to women, Labour stands on 45% female MPs and the Conservatives 21%. For councillors it's around a 37% Labour, 26% Conservative divide. It should be 50% women for both and all and every Party. WHY are we arguing amongst ourselves? It is not us on this thread, us women, holding each other back. Please can we all not stand together, united, to acknowledge the sexism in the whole of politics.

I am not Fucking kidding.

Are you?

No. I'm not standing against myself.

NO FUCKING WAY.

birds Are you wanting me to say misogyny is throughout soceity then yes that's true . That misogyny in the Labour party has got worse I am afraid is true also. Where were all these accusations in the run up to Blair's election wins. The right wing were after them why didn't they expose Gordon Brown's previous remarks on on " smashing women" oh because he didn't ever say those things.

I sincerely hope he didn't, no. But the Party still had elements of sexism and misogyny. But, in 1997, most newspapers supported Blair. Mind, at the time 'Blair's Babes' was a mainstream, acceptable phrase for female Labour MPs. If you're a Labour Party activist who's seen a rise in misogyny and sexism since Corbyn's election, then fair dos. If you're not, I really can't see how you can override the comments of active members who are telling you that it was before and is now shockingly, but equally, bad.

FUck me.

I'M DONE WITH THIS.

ILike I said stand together, not against yourself