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AIBU?

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...to be bloody annoyed that my family ruined my honeymoon?

245 replies

sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 22:09

It’s been long enough now that the edge of my annoyance has worn off such that I’m not actually furious furious about it and I wanted to find out what people thought of events and maybe get some insight from an outside perspective. And yes, that’s honeymoon, not wedding… so, bring your popcorn and your tuppence! Wink I don’t normally post much – I’m a bit of a lurker and went offsite for a while as part of a Mumsnet FB group, but I wanted to get a more general (and anonymous) response than from the guys in the group. So...

I recently got married after 14 years with DH, for a combination of tax reasons and because DH’s grandparents really were pushing the ‘we’re old and want to see him settled down(!), it’s important now there’s a baby for stability’ motif.

Our joint income is higher than everyone else’s on my side of the family – my family is working class, his is middle class. Because my side of the family have no money, every event is penny-pinching and causes stress and money worries for everyone. I wanted to alleviate everyone’s worries (more on this in a bit), so I (we) paid for more or less everything. We paid for the hen night. We paid for all the bridesmaid’s dresses etc. And we paid for a honeymoon which, rather than a romantic getaway, was a chance to get the relations on my side of the family who might otherwise not have been able to have a holiday in the summer out to Cornwall. I asked folks if they would like to go, they said yes.

The wedding was fantastic. Okay, there were a few minor issues, DH’s grandfather getting drunk and hypercritical, my sisters backed out of singing at the last moment and they could not manage to get their act together about shoes in time (that I was paying for, so it wasn’t money that was the issue) so we ended up having a last minute stress about that, but all in all nothing that you couldn’t expect as normal levels of issues from a wedding and it was a really wonderful day.

On the honeymoon, we started off heading up in a minibus and a flaming row broke out between my dad’s girlfriend, let’s call her F, and my youngest sister S at a service station. In retrospect having heard what happened I suspect that it was a combination of miscommunication, F being anxious and nervous and S being easily wounded and unable to forgive but more or less F at fault. F was having a go at S whilst S was holding the hand of her (and my) 3-year-old niece. My DH walked said niece back to the minibus. I spoke to them, not taking sides, but just said, “Please can we not fight?” F turned round and told me to go away, before I had a chance to react (in disbelief) S said she wanted to go home now and F, not to be outdone, declared she wanted to go home as well. I walked off and went back to the minibus, explained to folks what was going on and my dad went out to referee.

Eventually they came back and I was told it had all been ‘sorted out’. Great, I’m thinking, a hiccup and then we can get on with having a great time. My family are usually very close-knit and can be very supportive and loving, and I had this (highly unrealistic) fantasy that everyone would have fun on the beach, be happy and have a great time.

We get to the campsite (it’s a Tuesday). There are two lodges, the ‘honeymoon’ one and a normal one, both three bed sleep six. I have said already I don’t mind who is where but I would like to go in the honeymoon one. There is my dad and F, my mum, my sister M, my brother in law J and their two kids (the nieces), me, DH, our baby, my sister S, my sister B and two dogs. Only the non-honeymoon lodge takes dogs.

First off my brother-in-law J and B have a row whilst unpacking bags at the non-honeymoon lodge. B said he was sharp with her, M agrees he can be very cutting and rude but that he had reason to be irritable due to the stress of the journey and the fact that S was suddenly thrust on them as an unexpected guest. She refuses to stay in the same lodge as F (despite it being ‘all resolved’), and he feels it is overcrowded (and doesn’t deal well with the unexpected anyway). F is now with me, DH, my dad and the baby. No one has asked me if I’m happy on my honeymoon to stay with the woman who told be to go away on the honeymoon I paid for, but I’m like, okay whatever, I just want peace. I’m also really astounded that B has burst into tears over a tone of voice, but, okay, it’s been a long journey, people are stressed etc etc and I love them both and assume it will all resolve come morning. There are now 7 in the six-berth lodge with S sleeping on the sofa. B can’t come up to our lodge because her dog will panic without her so she has to stay at the dogs-allowed lodge. My mother can’t be in the same lodge as F because this would be weird and awkward, and M&J and the nieces don’t want to move as they say they don’t want a clash between our routine and ours – basically our baby wakes and wakes their kids up, their kids keep our baby up etc (reasonable enough). F apologises to me that evening.

Day two dawns. B and S are withdrawing from everyone due to the stress. We decide to leave the drama and go enjoy ourselves at the beach. Day three we go off to the Eden Project with dad, F, M&J and the nieces. We hear that B is chaperoning S who is still upset about F’s behaviour and wants to avoid her. B and S have been rowing with J. M has been just trying to keep her head down and keep her kids happy and having fun. My mother is honestly veering between stressed and enjoying the drama. She wants to ‘have it out’ with F for upsetting her baby daughter and says she only hasn’t to avoid further stress.

Now at this point, it is Thursday and we have only two days left as we will be travelling back on the Sunday. DH and I haven’t had any alone time yet at this point. I had stupidly assumed that it wouldn’t be that difficult to snatch an hour or two with so many adults about to babysit but this hasn’t happened at all. My dad and F are in the same lodge with us so can’t look after her there – they’d need to head out for a bit to give us time as well. My mother is out of the picture as she was an abusive and violent parent. She’s improved now, I’ve mended my relationship with her and forgiven her but DH is absolutely not willing to risk that she might hurt our baby. I don’t agree with his assessment of the risk that she would – she only hit older kids, not babies, and I really don’t think she would dare try it now – but I 100% support him and agree he has every right to be uncomfortable about it all. M has her own girls to look after.

As we come back after the Eden Project S volunteers to babysit tomorrow (Friday) evening with B. We haven’t actually asked anyone, not wanting anyone to feel like their presence here has to be paid for by babysitting or anything. I’m really grateful and thankful and ask her more than once if she’s sure this is okay. So I’m working myself up, really looking forward to it and all and then my dad comes into the lodge and whilst we’re chatting, cooking lunch he mentions that B and S are ‘going to the pub tonight’.

Now I’m really ped off. I’m only a little ped off that they’ve cancelled – I know that S is stressed and miserable as she feels that F’s behaviour triggered her and reminded her of when we were kids and mum was abusive. I know that B has been looking after her, missing out on fun to try to keep S going and upset at her altercations with J. But I am absolutely sodding furious that I found out like that via dad and that they didn’t even have the decency to ask me if it was okay to cancel or even tell me that they were and why. Not once does it seem to have occurred to them that this is meant to be my honeymoon. I assume they’re thinking it isn’t really ‘special’ to me as it was never my ‘dream’ to be married in the same way as some. But I had felt it was a bit special and I had hoped to come away with positive memories of an expensive holiday I paid for which was in part to celebrate our wedding.

So I’m furious, and text B asking if they’re still ok to babysit as I can see what is coming. The answer is no, ‘maybe tomorrow’ as they want to go to the bar today to de-stress. I am furious, again not with the idea of waiting until tomorrow per se, but the sheer thoughtlessness of their actions. That they just decided and went ahead with with their own plans without consulting or informing me. That they don’t think that after all the feuding, which I haven’t been responsible for, on what is meant to be a special-ish occasion I might also need this time out. There’s also the fact that there’s supposed to be a long trip planned tomorrow as it’s the younger niece’s birthday, and I’m under the impression that we would all be tired afterwards. And that given how flakey they are we’d be ditched again.

B is saying how it was a favour, she assumed it was flexible and she ‘didn’t remember that we’d decided a day for definite’ (we did). She’s blaming me for not giving much notice (again, they bloody volunteered) and says it’s my fault things have gone badly for bringing my family on holiday.

She then tells mum she has a migraine which is why she can’t make the babysitting, but apparently this is not enough of a migraine to not go to the pub…

So I end up in tears wildly texting my outrage on the beach whilst supposed to be having a good time. My dad at least apologises (daft given that he’s been least troublesome) and says that he does think we need a break. We’re talking about whether I could hire a babysitter, I have no idea where to take the baby and honestly wouldn’t feel comfortable about just taking her somewhere local I don’t know. We talk about going to a hotel, but I’m honestly not sure we can afford it given how much money we’ve put into this already. Eventually M comes to the rescue and volunteers. (She then hands the baby off to my mother, but that’s a whole other story).

The alone time is full of stress from the prior events, but at least we’re together. Saturday comes and S and B flat out refuse to come on the birthday trip for their two-year-old niece, which I honestly think is a bit awful – I didn’t refuse on the basis that they might show up – but I’ve kind of given up at this point. I’d hoped that the niece would have a wonderful birthday on holiday, but it ends up being a bit of a wash-out and M agrees that she did not have the day she deserves.

We get back home.

B ditches on her regular babysitting for me on Mondays starting as of that Monday morning, which gets me into trouble at work.

There is a long row on FB messenger. S and I thrash it out. I’m not entirely happy with everything she has said (mostly her insistence that a honeymoon is no more or less special than a holiday) but she apologised, explained she had been having issues with F for a while (she’s the youngest and they’re both fighting for dad’s attention). We agreed to take some time out for a bit and then be okay again. Everyone else has had a go about everyone else – to me – but no one else wants to actually raise the issues they have with one another in person.

B has basically refused to speak to me since. S has kindly stepped in with the babysitting.

In hindsight, yes, I should have spent the money on just me and DH. I don’t think it was my fault that the feuding happened exactly, but those times when family gel and are happy together just can’t be created on demand. That and B & S were not in the slightest bit grateful, as far as I can tell. I can only assume that they think that since we have more money than them, it didn’t cost us at all. We have a mortgage, we have our own costs etc etc.

We’ve had various family events since, and somehow, despite my saying I’m not okay with it, it has all ended up swept under the carpet again. People have issues with people but they’re never resolved and just keep cropping back up as b**ing behind people’s backs.

In hindsight again, I’ve spent far too long in my life wanting to fix my broken family (both in the sense of dysfunctional and in the sense of individuals struggling with depression). From the early years when my mother was abusive, I had this idea in my head that if I could somehow be good enough and do the right things everyone would be happy again. I have since realised, harsh as it is, that I cannot be responsible for making my family happy. I can’t actually fix people – they have to do that themselves. Even when we didn’t have a good income we were always ‘loaning’ people money which we never got back and I’ve been feeling for a while now that, whilst they do put stuff into the relationship, it’s all very, very one-sided.

It’s going to be my birthday soon, and I am seriously thinking of telling people that I don’t want any presents, only a family meeting where people thrash out their issues. I certainly don’t want a birthday where I pretend everything is okay. (On a side note I’ve been asked to organise a Halloween event because mine is the only house that’s free.)

I am also still really bloody annoyed that somehow, despite us paying for the holiday, despite her ditching on pre-agreed babysitting and making plans without even thinking about how we'd feel, B still thinks that I am in the wrong.

AIBU? And what do I do?

OP posts:
MycatsaPirate · 21/10/2017 22:53

Step away from them all.

If you want to keep your marriage intact then for fucks sake, stop involving the entire family with every aspect of your lives.

Your family is you, your DH and your child.

You have extended family - keep them at a distance and meet up once or twice a year. It truly sounds like hell on earth being with that lot.

An abusive violent mother, and your dad and his girlfriend all on your honeymoon? Plus your siblings (one of whom is still trying to get daddy's attention by fighting with his girlfriend), a bunch of kids stuck in the middle and two dogs. it was never going to be the Brady bunch!

Sounds like you all live in each others pockets and every event, every birthday, Christmas, Easter etc is a reason for everyone to do something together. Just stop it now.

You are a people pleaser, which isn't a totally bad thing but you are giving too much of yourself to too many people and trying to make everyone happy and like each other. Concentrate on your little family and spend time with friends.

Belleoftheball8 · 21/10/2017 22:55

Another one who lost interest half way through. You were asking for trouble taking them away on your honeymoon I feel sorry for your husband if anyone.

bastardkitty · 21/10/2017 22:57

Next time you get married, don't take yoir family on your honeymoon. Congratulations on your wedding. Give them all a wide berth until after Christmas. Preferably Christmas 2020.

fc301 · 21/10/2017 22:57

YABVU. Your casual comment about your Ms abuse made my blood run cold. Never leave your baby with her.

And I’d rather stick pins in my eyes than holiday with my family ... and they are like the Waltons next to yours. Terrible idea.

Originalfoogirl · 21/10/2017 23:03

Far too confusing to work out who said what to whom and why everyone was so pissed off with each other. Presumably these are all adults who could actually work it all out themselves if they really wanted to.

You invited a train wreck of a family on your honeymoon then wonder why it all went tits up? They didn't ruin it, you did.

Apologise to your husband for being an idiot and make it up to him by booking a proper honeymoon.

Shiftymake · 21/10/2017 23:16

Hate to say this but I see some of this behavior with 2 dsds. Make promises, breaks promises, create drama, lies, deflection, irresponsible attitude. I believe it stems from issues going back, broken hopes and dreams and so on, and the need to be seen and recognized (respect) although the methods are negotiable at best. I have not fought with my dsds, or been unsupportive, they fight each other but we have learned the best method to deal with it all is say as little as possible at a time (small doses) but still keep chatting, have an open door and when we need to make a point, do it in a way that helps them. Having a big sit down is not the best thing to start with, too many people with their issues in one place will probably cause more bad then good. Smaller groups yes, 3-5 where there is someone neutral to balance the emotions is probably more effective. Bitesize portions to digest.
There is some that do a positive/negative approach, not something I do but might work here. Along the lines, something positive about x, followed by this action hurt me, and add a self realizing factor if one should apologise. Ex:

  • X you are amazing and have helped me/us so much much with baby, I value you and appreciate everything you have done for us. [Add more] ..
  • The issue from the honeymoon holiday regarding babysitting really upset me as I believed we had agreed on this, and felt stood up on the one night alone with dh. It hurt as everyone was fighting, and it felt for the first time during the trip that you and Y had recognized that we would like some time on our own on our honeymoon.
  • On the other hand, I am sorry as I could have done things different and made more clear what I was expecting and done more to resolve the issues early on. [Or whatever you recognise you could have done better].
brightlightsofblah · 21/10/2017 23:18

Sparkle - I haven't rtft but I think you use the full name of your sister in paragraph 8 - just in case you want MN to edit 😊

Other than that Flowers for you as sounds the opposite of a relaxing enjoyable honeymoon!

Clitoria · 21/10/2017 23:20

Is this a dissertation?

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 21/10/2017 23:21

You invited a train wreck of a family on your honeymoon then wonder why it all went tits up? They didn't ruin it, you did.

Apologise to your husband for being an idiot and make it up to him by booking a proper honeymoon.

^^This

StaplesCorner · 21/10/2017 23:22

You are being unreasonable. You over invested both emotionally and financially in a road trip that had Destination Disaster writ large on the front of the minibus. This bunch of freeloaders ruined your honeymoon. You can either have it out with them, take it as a lesson learned or both.

Dont expect your family or indeed anyone else to be grateful, concentrate on your DH and DC and don't support the drama llamas.

Ellie56 · 21/10/2017 23:23

I lost the will to live halfway through too. It all got too confusing.

Just treat that as a family holiday and book the real honeymoon for the 3 of you. And go far, far away.

I think you need to accept you can't fix your family and get on with your own life with DH and DC. They are your family now. Spend your birthday doing special things with them. It will be sooo much nicer than refereeing and sorting out petty squabbles. And definitely don't do anything for Halloween. Book yourself an amazing trip somewhere instead.

Merida83 · 21/10/2017 23:27

YANBU

Your birthday - spend it enjoying your day with dh and dc!

Do not agree to host halloween party. You need to start saying no to them. Foot down time. Think of yourself, of whats best for you and your dh&dc and let them sort themselves out!

robindeer · 21/10/2017 23:28

Oh OP.

'No, I'm not doing Hallowe'en.'

That's it. A full sentence, no explanation required.

Your birthday? Don't gather your family together for a brawl, that's masochistic madness. Ask them to give money in lieu of presents for a honeymoon fund for you and DH. You have not had a honeymoon. Take baby with you and get the fuck away from the lot of them. They sound completely barking.

Lastly, I understand trying to mend a broken family. I really do. But you are taking on an enormous weight of responsibility and believe me- you will only suffer. Their relationships are not yours to mend. In the nicest way, it is beyond your capabilities.

Allabitmuchisntit · 21/10/2017 23:31

Sometimes I think I'm missing out, not being part of a huge meshed together family.

And then I scan read stuff like this and get the fuck over it.

All that shower on your "honeymoon".
Really??!!!

PyongyangKipperbang · 21/10/2017 23:32

The problem with having a dysfunctional family is that they are not dysfunctional all the time.

So you fall into the trap of thinking that because they are ok individually, if you put them in the right idyllic situation, it will be wonderful. But it wont because part of the reason it is dysfunctional is that they simply cannot interact in a healthy way with each other, you included. The way you are with them is not healthy either.

So "thrashing out" their problems will solve precisely nothing and probably cause yet more reasons for people to stop speaking.

Back off. Concentrate on your own family of DH and your baby and stop trying to fix the unfixable.

If they wanted to change then they would, but they dont. Sounds like they all want to be Alpha and dont like the idea of giving way on anything. I sympathise, my Outlaws are like this and weddings have been cancelled, losing thousands, rather than giving way to a sister bridesmaid over the colour of shoes. I am not exaggerating.

This is why, rather than feeding the crazy, we have little to nothing to do with them. DH spent years people pleasing in the hope that they would eventually come to their senses. It was a waste of his time and it is a waste of yours.

They are what they are and forever will they be. What you do with that knowledge is up to you, but I would be keeping my distance including getting non family, paid for, childcare and some therapy.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 21/10/2017 23:36

Don't consider that holiday your honeymoon. You deserve better than that Flowers get away for a little bit, whether it's just the two of you or you take your DC (we did Christmas at Butlins with DD for our honeymoon and it was brilliant, despite being most people's idea of honeymoon hell Wink ), do what you two want to do, maybe find somewhere with a trained, reputable kids' club/babysitting service so you can go out for a meal just the two of you one of the nights.

Your family really don't sound worth the effort. It all seems to fall to you to organise everything, then accept everyone else messing it up, and then taking the blame when people realise it's gone tits up. They're creating these cycles of drama and dragging you into it, and the best thing you can do is put as much distance between you and them as possible.

Sod the Hallowe'en party. Don't do another thing for them.

sparkleshine83 · 21/10/2017 23:38

Thanks for the replies, folks.

I know it was a hugely and unreasonably long post, rant/vent felt good though Wink

DH likes the mad family, for some reason Smile and honestly he’s hoping to mend things between everyone to go back to hanging out. He’s pretty much adopted my folks, although he draws the line at my mother.

Yes, I am of course the oldest sister.

The whole holiday idea, I know it was odd, I just had this idea in my head that people would enjoy a holiday and we would enjoy hanging out with them and making them happy. I also think I’d assumed that if they said yes to the holiday they wanted to come enjoy themselves, I think?At no point was it a ‘you have to come’ etc. With my mother and dad’s new girlfriend, they’ve previously been friendly and I had this awkward situation where I felt I had to ask them both or risk offending one or the other. Yeah I know, people pleaser.

I really do feel guilty about having more than them whilst they struggle. I think this whole thing has been a wake-up call for me though. I’ve spent lots more time with just DH and DC and it’s been really relaxing not hosting everyone of a weekend. I have learned my lesson, folks. (Well I hope so. Fingers crossed.)

And yes, co-dependency is definitely a family thing..!

With my mother, I suppose it’s hard because I’m trying to forgive her, she has made an effort, apologised for doing it wrong and I suppose I feel like she feels I’m going to ‘hold it over her forever’. Which again is sort of people pleasing and allowing myself to be guilt-tripped over it. I’m going to do some thinking on that.

Also also, whoops. Good catch brightlights. How do I get a moderator to edit the post?

OP posts:
CocoPuffsinGodMode · 21/10/2017 23:40

You and your family are ridiculously over involved in each others lives, talk about living in each others pockets! I couldn’t keep up with the cast of characters but it brought to mind memories of eastenders back when I used to watch it Hmm.

Seriously Op do you actually enjoy all this drama really? I can’t believe you managed to type all that to list off what was basically just a load of petty arguments, dramas and miscommunications between a load of people crammed into small spaces! You’re a grown married woman with a family of your own (I think, I may be confused due to all the initials). Step back a little.

nameusername · 21/10/2017 23:40

TLDR. Can someone please give me the CliffsNotes. Thanks.

Chrys2017 · 21/10/2017 23:40

I couldn't keep track of all the names, but anyway, stop putting yourself in between these people. You're not the referee. Only see them individually, or in pairs or groups that you know get along with one another.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 21/10/2017 23:45

TLDR

I got to the bit where you ended up in a mini bus at a service station with your extended family.

That's not a honeymoon. That's hell on wheels.

MyLittleDragon · 21/10/2017 23:51

Good Grief.

It was completely lovely but completely misguided of you to invite the whole two families away and on your honeymoon too.

I think you are completely over-invested. It is not working for you or them.

With hindsight, what would you do differently? Whatever it was - don’t do it (or similar variations) again!

GreatStar · 21/10/2017 23:56

Get the sense you're into your dramatics too!
Yes yabu. For 3 things .... wasting your energy and dwelling on the minutia happenings, bringing the whole clan and honeymoon and expecting it all to be stress free esp when there's a back story.
But mostly yabvvvvvvu for the bloody length of that god dam post Angry

GreatStar · 21/10/2017 23:58

Omg I see you've replied rather longly up there too. Seriously can't cope Grin

BlueNeighbourhood1 · 22/10/2017 00:00

I don't understand where the whole money divide comes into it? Have your own wedding at home everyone can come to and then a honeymoon with you, DH and DC.

To the poster who said it was like an episode of Benidorm in Cornwall, nailed it!

It doesn't matter if your DH loves your family, they still shouldn't be on your honeymoon.