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to find it sad that women talk about their DH’a achievements like they are their own

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Curiositykilledthecat113 · 21/10/2017 10:24

On all these “how much do you earn” threads I find it sad to see so many women who gave up careers of a lot of money to be a SAHM and talk proudly about their DH’s income as if it’s their achievement. I wonder why it’s always the woman who cares for the children and how so many woman can decide to give up work leaving them in such a vulnerable position if the husband leaves them.

OP posts:
LipstickHandbagCoffee · 21/10/2017 20:09

So all these high earning alpha males do they raise their kids or just chuck money at the missus

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:10

Have a great time getahaircutcarl

G5000 · 21/10/2017 20:10

Ah, so it is possible to work and spend time with your children? But only if you're a man?

BirthdayBeast · 21/10/2017 20:11

A completely pointless thread designed purely to wind people up. I’m not sure why other people’s living arrangements are any of your business and I don’t understand why anyone is even bothering to engage with you. Live your own life and stop worrying about other people’s. You come across as bitter and patronising.

colourdilemma · 21/10/2017 20:11

Thing is (and i apologise if the thread has moved on), whilst I am delighted that dh has a job he does well and enjoys success in, neither his nor my employment is what makes us feel content and satisfied with our lot.

In twenty years time, if I went to work to prove I could achieve “more” than being a SAHP, I would be retiring from said career and mulling over what I’d actually proved. My dad, who was a doctor, for what it’s worth in this discussion of achievement, observed that many of his colleagues really struggled to retire. So much of their identity came from their career that they were lost without it. He had hobbies that were as important to him as medicine and never pursued excessive amounts of private practice. He got a lot wrong, but he is thoroughly enjoying his retirement.

I think that there are several reasons why a woman would choose to work if her partner could and was happy to support the family. She may very much enjoy her job and want to continue: great. She may be nervous of not having independent means in case of a break up, also reasonable. But for me, or any woman to say “I’d rather be at home with my children, we can afford it and everyone is happy, but you know what, I can do more so I must” rather defeats the object of women fighting for choice over so many years.

I don’t measure my success very much at all, but if I did, it would not be on the basis of chasing achievement and career success over what would patently make me feel happier and more fulfilled just because I could. If I didn’t have kids, I’d probably be a headteacher. I was going for deputy jobs twelve years ago before I got pregnant. That would have been great and I’d have enjoyed it. I might go back to it. At the moment, in my particular family, we are all better off with me at home. Sorry if that upsets anyone. But I’d have to ask why it does. If I’m not offended by my friends who do continue with their job/career for whatever reason, why on earth should it concern anyone else?

In any group of people at the age of, say 65, I reckon there would be people, women mainly I guess, who regretted working, at all or in the job they did, people who felt happy with their working life. There would be ex SAHM who regretted leaving a job and those who didn’t. That’s life.

JacquesHammer · 21/10/2017 20:12

Ah, so it is possible to work and spend time with your children? But only if you're a man?

No. It depends on your career. I would have thought that was obvious.

Ex-H now does exactly what I did when I need to do trips etc for work. Before I started my current career, I didn't and he did.

YellowMakesMeSmile · 21/10/2017 20:13

*@mistresspage OP you might feel sorry for me, crack on. I feel sorry for your kids if you think parenting them is so unimportant that you might just as well hire someone in to do it.
I'm sorry you didn't find a supportive enough husband to enable you not to work grin

As if only SAHM’s can give the right parenting and working hard and actually achieving things is saying that you think your kids are “unimportant.” You try to defend SAHM’s yet you slander working mums at the same time, that doesn’t make you a big person.

Some people don’t have to find a supportive man because some people are able to support themselves, others, such as yourself, can credit their greatest achievement to finding a good husband that’s fine. You’ve only succeeded in making me feel sorry for you even more because you credit your greatest success to finding a man, what a sad, sad person you are.*

Isn't it strange how the dads aren't neglectful or their chidren unimportant? Is that because their salary is needed? The double standards are rife.

It is sad that some don't have their own life and career. I'd have little respect for a partner that did nothing much but expected me to work all hours so they could finance that lifestyle. Having to brag about your spouses or children's achievements as you have none of your own is sad.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:14

Depressing thread really

Set up to slag off sahm

When some of them bite and get defensive (rightly) and try and explain what contribution they make to the household they get even more grief

And yes...i quite agree that there are some dreadful remarks coming from sahm, but as far as i can see its fairly tit for tat with the OP starting it

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:15

Wait what yellow

Now i cant brag about my childrens achievements

I thought thats what having children was all about Smile

Ansumpasty · 21/10/2017 20:18

A little unfair. DH and I have been together since teens. He supported me financially while I went to uni and then we made the joint decision that I'd be a SAHM until our children were at school. I've supported him psychologically doing the brunt of the housekeeping and childcare while he's gone off done work abroad to further his career.
Obviously women like me can't take full credit for our husband's career but we've also worked hard to get them to where they are. I consider the salary that he makes mine just as much as his. When I go back to work, any money and success I have will be shared with him because we are a team.

Ploppie4 · 21/10/2017 20:19

Op do you only aspire to hold career status? Money? For me that is secondary to my kids. There are infact many ways to have a meaningful existence. Work isn’t everything.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 21/10/2017 20:19

I’m sure if the working mums responded in kind to some of the more dickhead remarks made by the stay at home contingent rufus you’d be howling with outrage.
Underneath all this are some perfectly valid considerations about the risks of chucking in a career and being financially dependent on a partner. If individuals manage to get into a place where they are comfortable with those fine but for gods sake let’s not insult everyone’s intelligence by pretending they’re not there.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:21

nd yes...i quite agree that there are some dreadful remarks coming from sahm, but as far as i can see its fairly tit for tat with the OP starting it

karlos

I literally just said that its tit for tat ...

RedForFilth · 21/10/2017 20:22

I'm a single mum. I also work and study. Being a mum is not all I am. I imagine that is the same for sahps. The same as my job isn't all I am or my studies. People on this thread are making out like employment status is the only thing that shapes a person. I've never seen that attitude elsewhere. I think all decent parents are doing what they believe is the best thing for their children and themselves so let them crack on.

Headofthehive55 · 21/10/2017 20:22

yellow
Some of us haven't managed to have the career. Some people just don't get lucky.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:23

karlos

And of course those concerns are there for sahm

Cant see anyone saying they are not there

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 21/10/2017 20:23

Well no it isn’t. What it is is a bunch of stay at home mums making some pretty asinine and occasionally offensive points to bully a poster they’ve taken exception to into submission.
Perhaps if they had jobs they’d have better things to do? (Now you’ve got tit for tat.)

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:24

And why on earth would i be howling with outrage Confused

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:24

You just didnt read the whole post karlos

Grin
NataliaOsipova · 21/10/2017 20:27

Happy travels Carl - you definitely need one for the road on the flight!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:28

I would actually agree that on rereading the OPs first few posts there is an obvious concern there

So i apologise OP, you didnt start it

(But the later comments are definitely tit for tat Grin)

whoopwhoop21 · 21/10/2017 20:28

For the SAHM's would you be happy if roles were reversed & kids were in school?

I work 20 hours so DH does contribute more to the household, however bar ill health, a period of unemployment etc I would not feel comfortable supporting him. I'm a hypocrite

JacquesHammer · 21/10/2017 20:31

For the SAHM's would you be happy if roles were reversed & kids were in school?

Not a SAHM anymore, I was until DD was 6. If it had worked for us of course I would have been happy for ex to be a SAHD

theftbyfinding · 21/10/2017 20:31

OP you do know what called means don't you...?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 21/10/2017 20:32

I would agree with jacques

I think where it gets difficult is societal pressure

And it would need to be a strong partnership for that

Of which i am sure there are many