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To go against DH and labour how I want?

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ListenToYourself · 20/10/2017 11:32

DH is dead against me having a home birth and shuts the topic down very quickly.

He doesn’t want me to have one and thinks it’s just too dangerous as the hospital is 30 minute drive away anyway.

It’s what I really want. I would feel so much better labouring in my own home, preferably in a pool, which MW has said I’m guaranteed to have access to, unlike the birthing centre where they may not be one available.

DH isn’t keen on the birthing in water idea either, even in a hospital. And says “but if you really must”.

I can’t really afford to rent one out on the off chance the birthing centre don’t have one available.

I’m willing to go into hospital at the first sign of trouble, no issues there at all. At least I got what I wanted - to try a home birth.

But it’s not practical, apparently. And he says even though I am the one in labour, how he feels counts too, since he’s my birthing partner and I don’t want anyone else there.

I agree how he feels does count too, but he won’t even listen to my MW who agrees that it is safe and it isn’t a big risk.

He just feels too anxious about it.

Where do I go from here, since he just won’t listen?

I would feel just so much more relaxed knowing I can try a home birth. I would love to Sad

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sausagepastapot · 20/10/2017 20:40

Ordinarily I'd be on the mothers side, yes it is your body and it is wholly your choice, absolutely.

However, nearly every home birth my mum has to deal with (maternity healthcare assistant) nearly always end in an emergency ambulance and traumatic assisted birth. I am sorry to say that, but it is a fact.

Its your first baby. I really wouldn't take the risk knowing what I know. You have no idea how you will cope with the pain and what intervention you might need or want, sadly.

My first birth was absolutely terrible; very long, forceps, tears, catheters etc, and as PP have said I may have lost my DS if I had tried a home birth. Second baby was an amazing water birth in hospital and I do know people who have had lovely first births but they are very few and far between in my social circles.

Hospital births can be wonderful and lovely and to an extent you can influence and control certain aspects of the birth. At my mums hospital they are all trained in aromatherapy and use music and low lighting etc where they can so may be worth exploring your hospitals options there.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

sayyouwill · 20/10/2017 20:41

@Bubblebubblepop I don't say anything in my post against a home birth. I said you need to put baby first, regardless of what you want. If it's safest for you to deliver at home then do that!

Fruitcorner123 · 20/10/2017 20:41

It's your choice and plenty of people have wonderful home births. There are horrendous stories on this thread but home births really wouldn't be a thing if you were at high risk. As soon as your pregnancy becomes anything but textbook you will be advised against one and the midwives won't be taling any risks when you are in labour and will be calling an ambulance if they are concerned.

I would arrange an appointment with the midwife with your partner there too and talk through all his concerns. It really isn't his decision at all regardless of whether he is your birthing partner but it would be nice to get him on board.

I wanted a home birth this time but couldn't in the end for medical reasons. I gave birth in the birthing centre attached to my local hospital. There are 8 birthing pools so i knew i had a good chance of getting one and i did. Could you research what provision other hospitals have if yours doesnt have many pools. Even if it means a longer drive to hospital once you are there you are there.

Whatever you decide I would strongly recommend a birthing pool, ive had 2 babies in the water and its a wonderful experience.

Fruitcorner123 · 20/10/2017 20:49

Also just to add my midwife told me that outcomes are more positive at home for mums who are not first timers because after your first birth they have more of an idea of how you labour. Obviously there are complications that can arise in one pregnancy that werent there in the others but if you have a straightforward vaginal delivery with no interventions first time you are more likely to second and subsequent times.

What i mean by this is you could have a hospital (or birthing centre) birth this time and if it all goes to plan consider a HB for second baby if you are planning one.

You will also have more of an idea of the level of pain after your first labour. Denying yourself the option of pain relief is very very brave!

affectionincoldclimate · 20/10/2017 20:55

I had a home birth by accident. To cut long story short, I was meant to go to hospital for a water birth after being assessed at home by a dedicated MW and go only when in active labour to save me turning up without sufficient dilation. Except she was 2 hours late and by the time she turned up baby was coming. It was great in retrospect as nothing went wrong. There was meconium in the waters but heart was strong and baby was not in distress so we stayed at home. But, and that’s a big but, we were 5 minutes from a very good hospital and even then when she asked me if I wanted to go (there was still a choice) I couldn’t imagine being moved or walking or anything that required me to lift myself from the position I was in.

At that point baby was coming down and for me standing up with a head half way down the birth canal was pretty tricky.

What I’m trying to say, a transfer mid labour while you’re having complications is no picnic especially if it’s 30 mins drive.

When you say they may not have one available, do you mean, the facility exists but it may be occupied at the same time? That could always happen. But as one of the PPs said: once in active labour they will prioritise you.

I would visit the hospital and ask to see facilities for water birth- most hospitals should have an open day/evening to facilitate research of options by expectant parents.

Is your MW one that will stay with you through the birth? Could she assess you at home and you only go to hospital when ready?

ListenToYourself · 20/10/2017 21:00

I would visit the hospital and ask to see facilities for water birth- most hospitals should have an open day/evening to facilitate research of options by expectant parents

They no longer do this, it stopped about a year ago Sad

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ListenToYourself · 20/10/2017 21:01

Well I’ve decided to go in to the hospital, I’m feeling confident it’ll be okay.

Water birth isn’t the be all and end all BUT if I’m okay I wish to be in the shower/bath for a lot of it.

Must so though, I will discharge myself after baby is born if there are no complications, we are both fine and ready to go home yet the hospital are taking forever to discharge Hmm

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SonicBoomBoom · 20/10/2017 21:02

They are not taking midwives off a ward! Home births are attended by community midwives who would be either doing that or being on call. The issue of too few midwives in hospitals has nothing to do with the number of community midwives used in a home birth.

How not?

I get they are a different 'team'. But if they weren't either on call or doing home births two or three midwives at a time, then they could be in a hospital, providing 1:1 care of a woman in a labour ward.

BlondeB83 · 20/10/2017 21:03

It's ultimately your choice but if something goes wrong your DH is the one who will have to deal with things. I feel quite sorry for him.

Capricorn76 · 20/10/2017 21:03

I had a fantastic pregnancy and labour was going very well....until it all went wrong very quickly. If I wasn't in hospital DD and I would've both died. 30 mins is too far away.

BlondeB83 · 20/10/2017 21:04

Just seen you've decided to go to hospital, good call.

Farontothemaddingcrowd · 20/10/2017 21:04

I had a fabulous home birth. If your labour is anything but smooth you'll be taken to hospital straight away. Home births are safe. Look at the stats. You also get more personal attention than you would in hospital.

ZaphodBeeblerox · 20/10/2017 21:09

OP you sound really mistrustful of the hospital. It might be worth sorting those feelings out prior to birth.

I've had good and horrendous experiences with midwives and hospital consultants. It's important I think to trust them to know what they're doing and not be second-guessing them during the birth. I'm due to give birth in a few weeks and moved hospital because I didn't trust my care providers at the previous hospital. If that is not an option it's worth speaking to someone to sort out that aspect of it or thinking through what is making you so mistrustful.

I get that we hear loads of horror stories, and people are quick to judge hcps as incompetent, while they're most likely overstretched. But nearly every individual I've met in the NHS is dedicated and caring and has your best interests at heart. You still can advocate for what you prefer, but also trust them to make the right calls for you.

Birth, parenting.. you're not going to have nearly as much control over the next phase of your life as you seem to imagine. Might be worthwhile spending some mental energy getting used to it.

NameChange30 · 20/10/2017 21:10

OP even though you have now decided on a hospital birth, that doesn't mean you have to give up on your other hopes and preferences for the birth. It is your body and your husband's role is to support you. I very much hope that he will respect and support your wishes re water birth, pain relief etc. Of course things might not go according to plan and you might change your mind, in which case he needs to support you in that too. If you are not confident that he will do so, perhaps you should rethink having him as your only birth partner.

mathanxiety · 20/10/2017 21:24

30 minutes translates to an hour of real time, from 999 call to hospital door. In case of an emergency, I think that is too long. I can see where your Head is coming from on the question of home birth.

However, this man has somehow got it into his head that he has the right to dictate to you on the matter, and also on the question of the water birth, and this is absolutely ridiculous.

He won't even discuss your options here.

My advice is to find the money and go to marriage counseling. Don't go on a waiting list. Go private.

Shutting down discussion is not on. Putting you in the position of doing research and appealing to him for some sort of permission is completely wrong. This is not the way healthy relationships work.

If he won't go to counseling, please find another birth partner.

mathanxiety · 20/10/2017 21:25

H. Not 'head' - flipping autocorrect.

ifyouposttheyjudge · 20/10/2017 21:35

I really liked the idea of a home birth in a pool as thought I'd be most relaxed. In my mind I would just get on with it and I thought being in water would relax me. I could walk around and chill in my own environment. To be birth was natural, it would be painful but I'd be fine.

I decided as a first birth to go to the birth centre my OH wasn't keen on home birth. I decided I wanted the pool and maybe some gas & air ( no drugs at the birth centre)

As it goes I was induced in labour ward at the hospital at 41+5 but nothing happened Envy So given a induction drip, waters broken at 41+6

Honestly I have never wanted to lie on my back and not move so much. I wouldn't want to of got into water ( not that it's an option for induction) They tried to get me to walk about, but the pain of the contractions was crippling. Could of been worse due to it being an induction ?!

All I'm saying is there is what you think you'll birth will be like and reality. I was very glad I was in the hospital, I had an assisted vaginal birth. My baby was unexpectedly very big and to think what could of happened if I had tried to have a home birth ( if it happened naturally. ) I didn't have an epidural, but at least the option was there. And lots of consultants to help and make sure baby was ok too.

Personally I don't think it's worth the risk to you or the baby. I honestly could not of cared less who came in the room, saw any part of me or anything once it got going. I wouldn't of noticed decor or candles or music.

The room in labour ward was really nice, own bathroom etc. Plus the amount of blood that comes out would ruin your carpet Grin

What I'm saying is I wouldn't on your first baby. I wouldn't ever now, I'm doing straight to the labour ward next time or maybe a elective c-section?!

GiGiraffe · 20/10/2017 21:46

I was hoping to have a home birth with my second child and MWs agreed I was a perfect candidate based on how my first birth went. DH was really uncomfortable with it and we talked round and round on it and in the end I decided to go back to the MW led birth unit again as he was so adamant it was a bad idea.

Went in labour all fine and labouring in the birthing unit, everything fine until all of a sudden I had a placental abruption and the baby had to be delivered by crash csection in 8 mins. We both likely would have died if not for the MWs being able to just put me in a wheelchair along the corridor and literally into theatre.

Blueskyrain · 20/10/2017 22:03

I don't think it's just people with bad experiences recounting their nightmare births btw, it's how birth often is. I had a elcs, so have no horror story of my own, but I know 3 people whose babies would have died if it had been a home birth (plus at least one mum). All low risk, regular births, that ended up with crash sections, resuscitation, and in one case, a life support machine.

And of all the people I know with a birth plan, virtually none have had births which followed those. As a FTM, flip a coin - and that's your chance of having forceps, ventose or a section. Even if you roll the other, the 'natural' side of the coin, you may need to be induced, have a epiostomy or have a bad tear. And then there are things like PPH after the birth. Or your baby may need more help. If this was a subsequent birth, and you were 5 mins from the hospital, then maybe, but birth is an unpredictable messy affair,and it things really go wrong, you don't want to be waiting for an ambulance.

AlexaAmbidextra · 20/10/2017 22:04

A husband and soon to be father who is obviously anxious and concerned about the welfare and safety of his wife and child. How fucking outrageous. Just who does he think he is? Hmm

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 20/10/2017 22:12

I can see his point to be honest

Binkybix · 20/10/2017 22:15

However, nearly every home birth my mum has to deal with (maternity healthcare assistant) nearly always end in an emergency ambulance and traumatic assisted birth. I am sorry to say that, but it is a fact

That’s very unlucky since even for first home births, less than half of people transfer and that’s not all for emergencies.

We are taking about a first birth, and that stats are a starting point where you then understand your own position and work it out from there. I knew there were things in my favour compared to the average so went for a first (and second) home birth. 30 minutes away? I’m not so sure I would have made the same choice.

However, scary as it is not true to say in all cases a baby would have died in a home birth when comparing what happened at hospital (if a low risk group). The stats simply don’t support this. It’s possible the situation would not have reached that point in the first place because it’s not a like for like comparison, for example.

For second births outcomes for baby are the same and BETTER for the mother.

Of course your DH can have a view - but refusing to discuss is not on.

timeisnotaline · 20/10/2017 22:19

I thin you've made a sensible decision op. Just remember when discussing it from your dps perspective this isn't the same as him intervening with your decision at a hospital where you are being looked after. Your op explicitly said you didn't want anyone else at the birth, and it's a first birth - if I were your dp I'd feel I've been told my wife and baby's life may be in danger and I will be the only one there to do anything until professionals get there (and I will have to know it's going wrong enough for professionals) but I am not trained and I have no clue what to do. I wouldn't let my husband put me in that position just for his peace of mind.

PyongyangKipperbang · 20/10/2017 22:21

I get they are a different 'team'. But if they weren't either on call or doing home births two or three midwives at a time, then they could be in a hospital, providing 1:1 care of a woman in a labour ward.

No they couldnt.

Do you honestly think that community midwives are only on call for home births?!

BertieBotts · 20/10/2017 22:22

OP, I know you've made your decision, but I just want to add something if it's okay.

Sorry this is probably going to end up really long - and late if I take a break to eat as I invariably will have to.

I found your thread very interesting because DH and I have had an almost identical argument with the main difference being that I'm not actually pregnant. In some ways I think that's lucky because it means there was no urgency to our discussion and it was still hypothetical. Nevertheless, I found it very hurtful and frightening that he would completely shut down the idea not only of home birth but of waterbirth as well. (I think it started because of an offhand comment he made).

I actually have a child from a previous relationship whereas he has no children, so part of our discussion was coloured by the fact I have done this before. My ex wasn't particularly involved and had no preference about birthing, so it was really new to me that DH would come in with not only an opinion at all but what I felt was a very forceful one. I can't remember the exact wording but it was very clear: He was NOT okay with me having a homebirth and he didn't want me giving birth in water.

Then it became an argument because my immediate reaction was defensiveness and fear. I felt as though he wanted to override my bodily autonomy. I felt like he was trying to control me. It was so alien to me because he is not a controlling person and I found it really shocking. In turn he was shocked by this because he felt I was pushing him out.

But here's the thing - you're going to be parents together. If you're clashing over this then what that actually means is that he CARES - and he isn't just going to let you go through this on your own. My ex, the one who controlled every other thing, he didn't care. I thought that was empowering (or maybe just convenient) at the time, but it was actually just alienating. I made every decision about our child alone, and any time he wanted to make any decisions he didn't consult me either and it felt like an attack I had to defend our child from, our parenting was a mess. (We did have other issues). But shared parenting, proper, teamwork, in-this-together shared parenting is different, and it's hard. There are so many rewards to it of course, but it's not as simple as seeing this as something you're going through by yourself. You're entering into a new phase of your marriage by becoming parents, one which is going to be tougher than anything which came before, and actually decisions about where and how to give birth are just a tiny tip of an iceberg here. You're going to have a lifetime - your child's lifetime, of coming up against situations where you disagree and need to find a way through without feeling betrayed or attacked by each other, and you'll need to find a way to discuss things which are acutely painful and which genuinely feel like a devestating attack on your person. I actually think that although you've got lots of praise for your compromise on this thread, making the decision on your own based on what strangers have to say isn't quite the right way to go about this. You mentioned that the compromise you've come to is not what you really want, and I think that's because there's another way - you've got to talk to your husband, and keep talking until you find the place where you are genuinely both happy.

I know that sounds ridiculously simple, and was probably the first thing you've tried to do, with MN being the back up or last resort. But I don't mean talk to your husband. I mean talk to your husband. Not about the surface issues or safety stats or distances to hospital, this is your chance to practise discussing these issues - because when one of you wants to sleep train and the other doesn't, or you disagree about when to stop breastfeeding, or how to approach discipline, or whether to pull your child out of their current school, or how to approach your teenager's rebellion, you're going to feel like this again, these feelings of being out of control and not listened to are going to come up again and you have to work out how you're going to deal with these situations as a couple. It's all good - it's all healthy but you have to learn the skills and that takes work. It would be incredibly helpful if you can get at least a rough framework for these massively emotionally overwhelming, life-or-death seeming decisions down now, before your child is actually here, before you're so sleep deprived you don't even remember how to be nice to each other. (This is what they mean by "A baby is like a bomb going off in your marriage".)

So what I mean is you've got to stop discussing the issue from the position of trying to convert each other to your own side. Instead try to discuss the issue from the position of a fact-finding exercise, trying to understand where the other is coming from, really genuinely deeply understand it. It can help if you try and work out - not what it is that you do, or don't want [the other] to do, but what you're (each) hoping to achieve with your way, why you want to do it that way, what exactly it is about doing it that way which is important, what are your fears regarding the other's preference, all this stuff, all the whys behind each reason until you get down to the root. You married each other for a reason - you must have admired and respected each others' decisions in the past, so it's strong emotion clouding this one because you're both as equally as invested as each other. You will quite likely find that once you get to the root of the issue, you both actually want similar or at least compatible things.

Once you get to this point, which is the hard part, BTW, and might take several attempts, you're in a place to discuss properly. And then maybe make a pact to start again from scratch with your research - together. Because you might be the one giving birth, but wouldn't it be awesome to have somebody totally on your side from the start who you know you can rely on? I think that unwittingly, you've left him behind by doing all of the research and reading and talking to midwives etc on your own. (I'm guilty of this too - I do it all the time, I'm still working it out). I know that I felt angry because I felt like I was researching and trying to read and understand and yet it felt like he'd just formed an opinion and plop - there it was with no consideration or thought. I think that I felt like that made my opinion more important or worthy, as though I'd worked harder for it - when really I hadn't actually changed my mind very far at all from what I'd originally thought! My research hadn't been earth shattering, it had just been me gathering information to support my own position. That is a really hard thing to admit, but think about it. I doubt you went from "planned c section" to "home waterbirth" just from reading things online. You probably started in a position very close to the one you're in now. So start the research again together, from a fresh page, and talk about each step rather than getting into that self-confirmation bubble (which is especially easy to do online.) Considering an alternative option or viewpoint does not mean you have to take that option. Keeping an open mind and genuinely thinking other options through is helpful - challenging your own views also helps you see if they're really right for you or not. Keep talking, talking, talking, about everything, until you're sick of it, but until you're genuinely happily on the same page.

It is not so impossible - in reality, there will be a range of birth options (the parts you can control anyway) which are acceptable to you, and a range of situations which are acceptable to your DH. You're both fixating on one particular scenario each because of the opposition and because it's such an emotionally charged decision that you feel it's important to get right. If you're really unlucky then what you may also be doing is pulling away from each other in order to "make up for" (what you feel is) the irrationality of the other. For example, if you feel that his opinion is unsupportive and cold, then you may fear that he would be unsupportive in any environment, which could push you further away from options in which you already feel insecure, even though you might be okay in that situation if you knew you could count on the support of your husband. Conversely, if he feels that your opinion is reckless, then he may fear that you might make reckless decisions in any birthing situation, and hence push more towards options he feels have more emergency back up, whereas he might be alright with less if he knows 100% you would make the safe choice in an emergency situation. Again, it's just about going into that root place with the fears and finding what's important to each of you and how you can meet all of those needs.

Well. You might think I've just written a load of bullshit Grin but I hope it's helpful in some small way, and I wish you the best of luck with the birth.

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