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Paying DH to do work on our property

145 replies

lirpaloof · 18/10/2017 10:26

Background info: DH and I married for 10 years, no kids, both work full time, comfortably off. When we first met I had my own property, he was in rented. He moved in with me and over the years we paid off a large chunk of the mortgage. We split all bills and mortgage but I paid a larger share as I always earned more. We were able to release some equity to buy a bigger house and rent the first one out. The first property is mortgaged in my name only (DH is fine with this) and DH has more or less left me to deal with the day to day issues of managing a rental. He tends to regard it as 'my' property but when we talk about the future he will acknowledge it as OUR investment, which is what we planned. I see it that legally we own both properties equally regardless of where we each started.

DH is an ex plumber. He has fixed various plumbing related issues at the rental property over the years but has been vocal about how much he dislikes doing it. He wants to spend his evenings and weekends relaxing and doing what he wants as much as possible.

Most recently, the tenants reported a plumbing problem and DH was reluctant to get involved, leaving it to me, the tenants and the water provider to sort out. The tenants and I have no plumbing knowledge but eventually we got the problem sorted after a lot of to-ing and fro-ing. The water provider also identified a non-related plumbing issue in the property that was my/our responsibility to fix. Given DH's reluctance to give up his free time, I thought I would avoid any arguments/resentment by getting a plumber in to fix the problem, which I did. Problem solved. A while later DH asked if the plumbing issue had been resolved so I told him what had happened, thinking he would be relieved it was sorted without his involvement. He asked why I hadn't asked him to fix it. I said because he doesn't like doing it so I thought I was doing him a favour by getting someone else to do it. He hit the roof and said I should have offered him the chance to do it and the reason he hates doing it is because I don't pay him. He thinks I should pay him for his specialist knowledge, as I would any other trained tradesperson - I don't expect them to work for free so I shouldn't expect him to either. He doesn't expect the going rate, just £30 or so and for me to tell him he can spend it on himself or however he likes. Bearing in mind, we are comfortably off and he has plenty of his own money to spend on himself but it's the gesture he's after.

I have no problems in thanking him for what he's done but paying him just seems wrong. I pointed out I don't get paid for doing all the laundry, 90% of the cooking and general running of the household but he said it was different as those things don't require specialist skills. His logic is that paying him £30 is cheaper than a plumber so I'd be saving money, but I feel like a) I would be validating his belief that he's entitled to payment, which I totally disagree with, b) it's his property too, OUR future, OUR investment, it's not just me getting all the benefits and WE'd both be saving money and c) he can't expect to reap the longer term benefits without putting in some effort.

So, AIBU to not pay him?

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JemimaLovesHamble · 18/10/2017 10:55

OK, so is he paying you for managing the rental home?

sarahjconnor · 18/10/2017 10:57

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PinkHeart5914 · 18/10/2017 10:59

So the man you’ve been married to, sharing a bed with, living with for the last 10 years wants to charge you? Wtf?

If a dh can’t do his dw a favor I think you have some issues within your relationship tbh. Surely part of a relationship is helping each other out when your able to

PathologyGeek · 18/10/2017 11:00

YANBU

I'm a doctor, by your other half's logic I should charge for giving my husband medical advice outside of work? I mean, I know I want to keep my husband healthy but a little pocket money wouldn't half be nice! That's my specialist skill as well, Paid my own way through university, and I just want to relax outside of work…

For what it's worth, I would see it as a nice thing for you to have paid someone else to spare him having to fix the problem in his spare time.

eddielizzard · 18/10/2017 11:01

he's being an arse. stop doing 90% of the grunt work. start telling him every minutae of managing your shared rental property and how you'd like acknowledgement for protect his asset. what an idiot.

bumblebee24 · 18/10/2017 11:03

I can't believe he expects to be paid for it! That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard for a while!
I don't understand why he wouldn't want to help you out, and save you money? That makes no sense to me.

My DH is really good with computers, he's done a lot of work on his own (replacing and upgrading parts etc).
His friend has slightly more knowledge as did a college course. So he asks him if he gets stuck. The friend wouldn't dream of charging him!

DH fixed my mum's computer, he had to completely start from scratch which took him hours. He didn't charge her! Because it's family.

I make bookfolds, which I sell. It's just a little at home business. I don't make much at all, but I enjoy doing it. For a certain book, i charge £18 because it takes a long time and I buy the book and materials out of that.
But for family, I charge £10. I have a book and materials to buy so I earn about £5 from that. So it's £5 for at least 5 hours work. BUT I do it for my family!

PinkHeart5914 · 18/10/2017 11:03

would see it as a nice thing for you to have paid someone else to spare him having to fix the problem in his spare time

But this is her dh investment property too fgs so it’s a waste of money to pay someone else to something on the JOINT investment property he has the skills to do.

NotTheFordType · 18/10/2017 11:05

Betty is spot on, from a business point of view it makes much more sense for to a) pay less than going rate and b) claim that back against the tax you're paying on the rental income and then c) have that £30 back in the family's income.

That's assuming DH is not self-employed, but is employed elsewhere and therefore has enough allowance to not pay tax on the additional income.

LazyDailyMailJournos · 18/10/2017 11:05

But you pay tax on the income from that investment - and using an involved and professional plumber means that you can offset those costs against your tax...so his argument makes no sense at all! Plus it's a family investment, so why not help? You're helping by managing the property - he should help by using his knowledge when it's needed. I thought that was how it was supposed to work anyway!

I'd stop cooking, cleaning or doing any kind of life admin for him at all. And if he moans then tell him that as it takes no "specialist skill" then he should be perfectly able and willing to sort it himself.

Your relationship sounds less like a partnership and more like a business transaction TBH. Is he normally a dick?

SandyDenny · 18/10/2017 11:06

I can't get past the fact that someone with a trade wouldn't be happy to apply that trade to a rental property they own.

He IBU about that alone, it's like a hairdresser not keeping their partner's hair, very odd.

I can see his point about not paying a 3rd party to do it but as long as he's not giving up paid work he should be happy to do it for free, expecting a bit of pocket money is frankly childish

lirpaloof · 18/10/2017 11:08

pog100 Yes we generally get on well although we do clash when we both feel we are right, it's not that often though. We are both pretty prudent which has enabled us to get to a good financial place and we're usually on the same page money wise. This just seems a step too far for me though.
Ninjakitty Sorry to hear about your experience. It is worrying as sounds like something DH would do too. He can be very petty when he feels he has been wronged.

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Nothingrhymeswithfamily · 18/10/2017 11:09

My DP is a tradesman, pre DC i paid for the parts used and a bit on top for work.
Post DC I dont, it just gets absorbed into the family pot.

Your married so the investment is his as well . Surely it makes more sense for him to do it? If not he didn't offer, so you have solved the issue. He shouldn't moan about it after. He just sounds pissed off you didn't have to ask him and solved it without needing him.

Changednamejustincase · 18/10/2017 11:09

I can't understand a man who would not want to help his wife out. You need a plumber or someone who understands water problems. How lucky that your husband is a trained plumber! I think his attitude is strange. He doesn't seem to want to help you. What is the point in being married if you don't help each other out? Marriage is about being partners in life.

lirpaloof · 18/10/2017 11:11

SandyDenny - I use clippers on his hair, for free! Last time he asked me for a trim I nearly asked how much he'd pay the barber as I'd do it for half the price....

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TheViceOfReason · 18/10/2017 11:12

I actually can't believe i've read this.

So stop doing anything for him.

Anything he asks you to do give him a quote with professional rates on it - cleaners,. ironing service, property management fees (50% of this of course), private chef.

If he still doesn't realise how fucking ridiculous it is, he's either as thick as 2 short planks or deliberately being a tosser.

expatinscotland · 18/10/2017 11:17

What a dickhead. I'd have laughed in his face. As it is, I'd stop doing 90% of everything.

EvansOvalPies · 18/10/2017 11:19

Perhaps what you could do is offer him the work. Ask him for an invoice, pay him through the books, so it is an expense you can offset for tax purposes. He will then have to declare his earnings to HMRC.

What a palaver - but he's demanding the rules. A very strange attitude within a relationship. Crikey - wouldn't we all like to just sit around in the evenings and at weekends? And yes, as someone else said further back - issue him with an invoice for all the work you do. It will undoubtedly be a larger invoice than his.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 18/10/2017 11:23

I'd clipper "tight arse" into the back of his head.

HerOtherHalf · 18/10/2017 11:24

He is being ridiculous. Irrespective of whose name it's in, it's marital asset so as much his as yours. I could sort of understand him not wanting to give up his spare time in the same way that I understand if anyone doesn't want to do homers. However, if he does do it why would he be paid for it? Imagine if you were a chef, would you charge him for his meal every time it was your turn to cook dinner?

mindutopia · 18/10/2017 11:24

No, that's weird. My husband is also a tradesman and occasionally does work around the house. I would never think to pay him and he would never think you ask. It seems weird because it's all your money anyway (I know the property is in your name only, but realistically, if you're paying someone it's going to come out of joint funds, even if those funds are attached to the house itself in your name, realistically as you're married, it's all your shared money in theory). The only reason I could see doing it would be if there was some tax benefit, paying for supplies at wholesale cost, which he could then claim as expenses on taxes. That seems like a lot of effort though for a small repair and might only make sense on something big. But not for 'spending money.' My dh would laugh if I suggested such a thing.

Csd17 · 18/10/2017 11:24

You are absolutely NOT being unreasonable for not paying your HUsBaNd to do plumbing work in your rental property. I don’t care whose name the home is in.. that’s so weird of him to expect you to ask him to help and then pay him. In your relationship, he isn’t a tradesman, he is your spouse. My wife cleaned the floor where the dog peed this morning while I fed the baby, should I have paid her an hourly rate? Jesus Christ. You are a saint for putting up with him.

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 18/10/2017 11:24

You can't do that Evans - it's completely against HMRC rules.

RB68 · 18/10/2017 11:26

yes but you didn't know that re 30 so its a moot point as the info wasn't there to make the decision. You sum it up. I think you need to get to the bottom of is this about paying him for his skill (he doesn't want the going rate so seems not) or about him having "guilt free" money to spend as he pleases now. If he is not seeing it as investing in both of your futures 1, does he see a future and 2, is it with you

Personally I think he is just plain lazy and there is an element of greed wanting his cake (the investment) and eat it (paid for working on it now

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 18/10/2017 11:26

I would find such a peevish attitude a complete turn off, I really would.

burninghigh · 18/10/2017 11:28

Honestly, it sounds like your husband is just pissed off. My dad was a tradesman and used to get mightily pissed off with relatives that would ask him to do work and then never offer to pay him.

I suspect your husband has a point but he just hasn't expressed himself very well and then has become a bit confrontational when you have pulled him up on it making stupid comments about the things you do.

Try and look at it like this, he is giving up free time now for potential reward for you (and him) in the future. The property is in your name. That will psychologically distance him from it, regardless of your agreement about it being your nest egg.

Maybe he is just saying he doesn't feel appreciated by you when he uses his special skill. If you don't feel appreciated by him that is a different matter. Deal with that separately.

My husband is a bit like this (childish frankly) but if by him doing something for you both that saves you money now maybe you could do something small for him (or both of you) now in recognition for what he has done.

My husband frequently buys me (supermarket)
Flowers as a thank you for everything I do - just normal household stuff. It's much cheaper than what we would pay a cleaner but I feel appreciated. Not everything is a big deal. His £30 is a bit churlish but try and look beyond the example he has given you and see if there is a bigger sentiment behind it.

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