To think there is a group on MN deliberately trying to downplay the institutional oppression of women?

[PerryPerryThePlatypus]

I've been hanging around these here parts since Pom Bears were just a bizarre crisp but more and more I see posters chipping away at other posters experiences, feelings of unease etc. It's difficult to articulate but it's just a shift from NAMALT to women are just as bad so stop complaining. An almost subtle silencing.

I am on two threads

Why has this gone off tangent

and that baroness I completely agree with.

If they fail to respond to signs then it is obviously unwanted and unacceptable.

It is the should not ever strike up conversation with a woman because it could offend that I don't follow.

On a tangent

Bloody hell

rufus and why exactly shouldn't I be happy to reciprocate because he could have the conversation with a man?

I'm starting to feel like I live in a parallel universe

Excatly baroness

If I walk past a man and he is trying to make eye contact and I look away I am obviously not interested in talking

It's quite simple it's not complex i

Me too @taratill.

I honestly dont know why you are offended at that

I am happy to chat with a man in the park while watching the kids play

Its nothing to do with his being a man for fucks sake. I dont care whether i chat with men or women

I didnt think it was that difficult a question

Really

What have i said!

taratill the slight difference of opinion is I think men should stop and think first rather than disturbing the woman first

That was to tara

euth put like that it is, but that is not what has been said on here at times.

What I am responding to is the notion that a man should never strike up a conversation with a woman because she might not want him to.

It is the should not ever strike up conversation with a woman because it could offend that I don't follow

Well no...i don't follow it either

What I am responding to is the notion that a man should never strike up a conversation with a woman because she might not want him to

I havent ever, ever said this

baroness yes and if the woman gives signals that it is unwanted then it is inappropriate.

But that's not what I'm talking about.

rufus we may have our wires crossed, I thought you were asking why I would talk to man if he could have the same convo with a man. It's late, sorry.

OH for goodness sake handbag do you feel the same way about random women that you talk to (that you owe them nothing)

I feel the same about women striking up conversation with me. I am not a people person.

But as I mentioned on the other thread, I don't find women do this. On the rare occasions women do try to strike up a friendly conversation with me, they retreat when they realise I am uncomfortable/not feeling especially chatty.

Men either don't understand normal social cues or they are not being friendly. As they you don't hear of other men whining about being harangued by random blokes whilst trying to enjoy a book and some peace in a coffee shop on their lunch break, I'm happy to assume that it's not friendship these men are after.

enthusiasim

Exactly

taratill

Yep you definitely misunderstood my intention there

Which is why im getting so het up and posting loads

But you are right, its late and we are tired

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definitely

taratill

Not all women retreat as not all pick up the social clues. Women are better at it than men because we are raised to be.

I think that action is better aimed at teaching our young boys how to pick up on social clues rather than not wanting to speak to any men in case they might be coming on to us.

But that is the thing I've been told men are incapable of judging things so I need to accept them disturbing me and it's then my responsibility to say no. I've also been told women do it too so men are not the problem. Even simple things like this are downplayed and that is the point of the op

So why aren't these socially unaware men harassing other men if all they want is to be 'nice' or 'friendly'?

You never hear of men complaining that a random bloke commandeered their lunch break or yapped at them the entire train ride. Men never get their outfits, smile (or lack thereof) appraised by other men, trying to make friends with them, do they?

If their intentions are entirely wholesome, why is it that they are only 'nice' and 'friendly' to women?

WorraLiberty

I think some MRA's post here with an anti female agenda.

I also think some women with an anti male agenda, post here pretending to be male/MRA posters

i agree with this

What is an "anti-male agenda"? What kind of goals/outcomes are they looking for? Is it something that you think is organised as a deliberate trolling attack?

baroness what a load of tripe of course men aren't incapable of judging these things. I do think that they are not taught as children as well as girls are taught because these things are not seen as as important, which is a load of bollocks. There are some people ASD who really don't pick up as well.

IMO most men most certainly can and do pick up on social clues.

Frequency men who chat with men are often perceived as 'gay' by other men.

Some of the men I know do compliment their male friends on things like clothes and hair etc. They would be reluctant to say such things to new people because they would think they were gay. Then again none of the men I talk to tell me my hair or clothes are nice either.

sorry baroness It should say are capable not aren't