I think the golden rule for men should be...

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If a man wants to be attractive to a woman, and for her to be receptive to him, he won't catcall, grope, follow, or make uninvited suggestive remarks. Men know this - they're not (normally that) stupid - so when they do it, it's bullshit that they are 'just being friendly' or 'just making the first move', its harassing bullying behaviour designed to make them feel powerful. They do it because they don't respect women, not because they like them.

Of course men can talk to women... but they need to recognise their position of power and not exploit situations where they are vulnerable. They should never be suggestive or sexual unless a woman makes it clear that she is interested, and back off immediately if he has somehow misread the signals.

This thread is hilarious, I feel sorry for the women who have been harassed but you can hardly paint all men with the same brush.

Anyone have any other suggestions for tackling harassment then?

This thread is hilarious, I feel sorry for the women who have been harassed but you can hardly paint all men with the same brush.

Erm I don’t think anyone cares for your pity what they are after is a reasonable solution to mass Oh and I really don’t think anyone with half a brain would think this thread or any thread to do with any type of harassment was hilarious.

Bloody toddler fingers getting in the way.

They want a solution to a massive problem that’s gone on for clearly decades!!

It needs to be taught from day one that men and women are equal. It needs to start with families and then into education. God nurseries even teach the boy/girl bullshit. It needs to be spoken about instantly and it requires both men and women to say this behaviour isn’t acceptable. I’m not talking about men talking to women I’m talking about men talking at women having this entitled opinion they can say what they want for their own kicks and wank fodder.

To hark back to the original point if you wouldn’t hear from a fellow man in prison then I for one don’t want to hear it.

I think there's good and bad in both sexes. I have had a few male friends and I have three brothers and the only time I saw anyone being a pain in the arse was a woman making comments about a male friend in front of both him and me. He kept telling her he wasn't interested and tried ignoring her so I told her to fuck off she carried on so I slapped her she buggered off. I did once have to tell a bloke off for making rude remarks to one of my daughters a few years ago at a party. I'm only five foot tall and he was six foot and thought it was funny me telling him off but I soon levelled him. I won't stand for shit off man nor woman and don't expect my male or female friends/ family to either. Having said that I enjoy talking to strangers I meet when I'm out and about both male/ female, young or old. You just have to use common sense.

"This thread is hilarious, I feel sorry for the women who have been harassed but you can hardly paint all men with the same brush."

1. There's something very odd about finding a thread about sexual harassment "hilarious".
2. Nobody is "painting all men with the same brush"

women are whiny bitches ok sure, perhaps we are but men are just as much whiny bitches as we are & we're not complaining about that. We're complaining about them being rapey and assaulting and frightening us.

Btl on all sorts of opinion pieces on sexual harassment ATM are men saying 'look you just lost yourself an ally because you didn't complain nicely enough' or words to that effect.

I'm tired of this idea that women being a bit rude or assertive or cross is somehow the same or worse than men committing sexually motivated crimes

It is worrying how many women experience this. Yet, as a parent, everyone hopes it's not their son doing this. However, it's obviously someone's son and quite a few of them at that. So what's the answer?
Practically, how do parents and schools deal with it. Is it the schools responsibility to include this into PSHE lessons?

1. Nobody is "painting all men with the same brush"

Yeah, they kind of are when people have said as a sex they're a bloody menace, and it's also been said that they shouldn't chat to women when out and about.
Whole world of difference between chatting and harassing.
How about we all just treat each other like people instead. I chat to people.

What bertrand just said

Who on this thread is painting all men with the same brush

"The reality is it is most men, at some time or other."

You live in a different universe to me

Krytens you're just repeating the same things over and over again but you're not offering any practical soloutions.

Whole world of difference between chatting and harassing - but I don't know when a man approaches me which one he's planning, how could I? So what's so wrong with saying to all men (yes all men) - don't do this?

You live in a different universe to me

Agree.

The reality is it is most men, at some time or other. It's not most men, it's some men. At least it is in my world.

Saying that men as a whole are X does not mean that all individual men are X.

It means that there is a strong tendency for men to be X.
And the problem about men talking to women when out and about is that men think that it's OK to approach women in a way that they don't approach other men. And if all they wanted was a chat and to make new friends...........

Ime the genuinely nice men tend not to approach and chat to strange women in public because they are concerned about frightening them or making them uncomfortable

Men as a class are taller than women as a class. Not all men are taller than all women. But we still do sizing separately because the group differences are marked enough that it makes sense.

Krytens you're just repeating the same things over and over again but you're not offering any practical soloutions.

Well, there isn't an easy answer, is there otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion!
What I do know though is people saying men shouldn't talk to women which has been said on this thread and not just by men is not the answer.
I still want men to talk to me. So do others, they don't speak for all women.
You want solutions? How about we teach respect for others from a young age and add discussing consent (if it's not already included, I don't know) in school classes.

Also, what's this parroting of 'not all men, only some men' actually for? Do you think that makes it less of a problem?

What is really depressing is how many men appear to resent the idea that they should leave women alone. That there are plenty of places to find someone willing and interested in at least a preliminary flirtation with you, so you can just not approach women you don't know, in everyday non-social situations.
It's all part of the wider concept that women exist for men's benefit, so a man is always entitled to any attention he requires from any woman (men get enraged if women ignore them) and requesting that they inconvenience themselves or go against their own whims even a tiny little bit (just LEAVE WOMEN ALONE when they do not know you and have given no indication whatsoever that they want to get to know you) is a terrible infringement of their human rights.

Krytens but if you want to chat to men, there's nothing stopping you approaching them. You (I'm assuming you're a woman) are statistically much less likely to sexually assault or commit violence against that man than he is to you. Men as a group, statistically, have much less to fear than women as a group. So if you were really that desperate for a chat on an empty train carriage at 11pm then you could strike up that conversation.

Krytens- do you want men to talk to you in a deserted railway carriage at midnight?

Do you ever wonder why men tend not to approach other men they don't know for a chat or to make new friends?

I am amazed and astounded, truly ,about how when this crops up wrong-un men seem to be enraged about the sheer audacity women of even discussing this. It absolutely says it all.

That there are plenty of places to find someone willing and interested in at least a preliminary flirtation with you

Who said anything about flirting?! As someone said, a different world, as men and women in mine can chat to each other without it automatically meaning flirting!