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How to stop brexit and make Britain great again

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SupportTheresaElseBoris · 09/10/2017 20:53

So Nick Clegg has a new book out called How to stop brexit and make Britain great again.

Aibu to think its time to just get on with brexit and stop this uncertainty? It didn't work for the lib Dems at the ellection and it now seems like dragging it on for as long as possible will make the worst of a bad situation.

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histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 11:39

If you want to stop brexit, you best address the issues of why people are so unhappy with the EU.

No, people are unhappy and they've chosen to believe that it's because of the EU and East European fruit pickers. In fact, Brexit is going to make most of them a whole lot unhappier, but many of them - even one year and a half since the referendum - don't have the wit to comprehend this.

Flyingflipflop · 10/10/2017 11:42

but many of them - even one year and a half since the referendum - don't have the wit to comprehend this.

Bingo. And you wonder why people feel disenfranchised and vote against the elites.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 11:45

Yeah all the baby-boomers in their big houses bought cheaply felt disenfranchised and voted against the elites. Grin

allegretto · 10/10/2017 11:46

Well I have pre-ordered the book OP, so thanks for posting! I think it is ironic that so many leavers claim to be patriotic yet they are also prepared to ruin the economy for hazy long-term gains. I really hope this madness can be stopped.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 11:47

"Oooh I feel so disenfranchised, I so hate the elites, that I'm going to vote with the millionaires Farage, Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg, and the Daily Mail to screw this country over."

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/10/2017 11:48

histinyhand you forgot their triple locked pensions.

Flyingflipflop · 10/10/2017 11:51

Histinyhands

Ok, let's cut through your very condescending reply.

Look at the voting patterns. The places that overwhelmingly voted to leave weren't by and large wealthy areas. Let's not lay this all at the door of the baby boomers.

habenero20 · 10/10/2017 11:57

No, people are unhappy and they've chosen to believe that it's because of the EU and East European fruit pickers. In fact, Brexit is going to make most of them a whole lot unhappier, but many of them - even one year and a half since the referendum - don't have the wit to comprehend this.

this is what we have been telling them for years. Look at where it's got us.

And you might have trouble convincing some people brexit is wholly bad. For 15 years two successive governments have done f**k all about runaway house prices and rents. One benefit of brexit? it's slowed that down (in London), and has the potential to slow it down a lot more.

I actually agree with the idea brexit will likely hurt precisely those who want it. It's already causing price inflation of basic goods, which of course hurts the low wage the most. The likes of Clegg have been open about the EU isn't perfect, but of course they, and we, have very little power to fix it. Given that much of the EU wants more integration rather than less, the exact opposite of what britain wants, I don't think staying in and changing it was viable.

Telling people they are stupid worked until about 16 months ago, and it blew up in our face. We need a new strategy.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/10/2017 11:58

Not all baby boomers voted leave.
However they are such a big proportion of the population that however anyone voted they were always going to swing the outcome
opinium.co.uk/did-young-people-bother-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/

allegretto · 10/10/2017 11:59

Given that much of the EU wants more integration rather than less,

I'm not sure what you mean here.

outabout · 10/10/2017 11:59

What Britain NEEDED was good negotiators to either secure a change in some EU legislation OR to negotiate a sensible withdrawal.
What we got was back biting and lies from both major parties who have proven that they can't deliver what we NEEDED was STRONG negotiators.
What seems to have fallen through the cracks on the 'EU is creating laws for us which we don't like' is that the European parliament does NOT enforce the rules. There is a central think tank of non politicians who investigate what rules COULD be made and then it is up for each of the 27 countries individually to ratify for then enforce each of the rules. Stuff we may object to 'from Brussels' is only ratified and enforced by BRITISH politicians. Opt outs, although taking longer to negotiate are possible.
We are being 'sold down the river' by our own politicians who are incapable of proper negotiation skills. Far more effort SHOULD have been put into reforming some of the EU rules which is mainly a 'fine tweaking' exercise which other countries would agree with as they also have disagreements on some issues rather than throwing out a system which on the whole worked.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/10/2017 12:00

What's you strategy given that it's increasingly likely that the government is going for no Deal. And btw I don't think people were thick. Naive and fired up by ideologists maybe.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 12:03

Imagine voting Brexit as a protest against Elites! Grin I wonder how you feel now? (Bit stupid I would imagine)

"Oooh I can't wait til I can't afford to pay for my families food, their care or their hospital fees, because at least I protested against the elites and I bet Cameron (who started his new multi-million job today) is really suffering."

People have been conned. Their situation is going to worsen.
Even most people who voted Leave have worked this out by now.

Flyingflipflop · 10/10/2017 12:05

Imagine voting Brexit as a protest against Elites! grin I wonder how you feel now? (Bit stupid I would imagine)

I voted remain.

JacquesHammer · 10/10/2017 12:08

and spud pickers I think we can do without

My ex-H's father's business can't. They simply cannot employ non-immigrants because they think the work is beneath them: or too hard.

histiny not all baby boomers voted Brexit. Sweeping generalisations aren't helpful

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/10/2017 12:10

See, this is why so many people voted to be hit repeatedly with a big stick - they were sick and tired of people telling them that being hit repeatedly with a big stick would be unpleasant. We need to listen to why they were so keen to be hit with a big stick, and stop thinking they are stupid, ill-informed, idiots who've now sentenced us all to being repeatedly hit with a big sticks.

*disclaimer - I don't think all leave voters were stupid, ill-informed, idiots who've fucked everything for the rest of us.

Oh wait, yes I do.

And frankly it doesn't matter how they feel about that - they can't fuck the rest of us any harder now, can they?

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 12:10

Imagine voting Brexit as a protest against Elites! grin I wonder how you feel now? (Bit stupid I would imagine)

I voted remain.

It was a general 'you' to those who did.

histinyhandsarefrozen · 10/10/2017 12:12

histiny not all baby boomers voted Brexit. Sweeping generalizations aren't helpful

I didn't say they did. However, I was responding to the pernicious untruth that Brexit was because "people feel disenfranchised and vote against the elites."

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/10/2017 12:13

The biggest proponent of Leave that o know was a potato farmer. Apparently it was because a migrant worker made a girl who worked on his farm uncomfortable because he said something in his mother tongue in front of her. He voted leave rather than saying something to him.
Imagine...

SleightOfMind · 10/10/2017 12:18

Brexit could be stopped in a heartbeat goodnightmisssuki it's shocking how many people believe the hardline eurosceptic line that Article 50 is an unstoppable process. Our government simply has to say to the EU, 'Sorry, made a mistake. Let's drop this nonsense,' and everything could go back to normal.
May has to reassure the hard Brexiteers in her party that this won't happen if we don't have a deal by the deadline.
She's promising to leave the EU and adopt WTO rules to appease them.

user1471448556 is right. This explains it perfectly.
Kamikaze Brexit

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 10/10/2017 12:24

If May had an ounce of integrity or even basic sense, that is exactly what she would do. Even I would have some respect for her if she said, nope, you know what, I just can't do this to you - it's a ridiculous plan and you should never have been put in a position where you had to vote on it based on lies and fear. This was an advisory referendum, and - as with all the other advice I am given and do not take - I am not taking it. Call a halt. Stop the madness. Let's wipe the slate clean and do better.

She won't though, the fucking idiot.

Theresamayscough · 10/10/2017 12:24

If We can’t get a good deal, and we won’t, would it be possible for parliament to revoke article 50? I am dreaming this may happen??

SleightOfMind · 10/10/2017 12:24

Not all leave voters are disenfranchised, ill informed and too trusting of the media.
My Fil and his (baby boomer friends) are delighted.
They have tertiary level education, have worked in politics and finance and are veteran eurosceptics.
They are now admitting that there will be some necessary pain for the country in order to push through their ideology.
It won't be painful for them though, they are incredibly wealthy, with huge houses and giant pensions.
I'm very fond of my Fil but him and his ilk have led a rarefied life and cannot imagine the misery they are about to inflict on the less well off.
We don't discuss Brexit any more.

Theresamayscough · 10/10/2017 12:27

seek

If she did she would gain so much respect I think.

If only Cameron hadn’t made this gamble or at least lowered the voting age to 16, I think that would have swung it.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 10/10/2017 12:29

Personally that's criminal.
In any other field to knowingly inflict harm on another would be a criminal offence.

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