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To tell the teacher that dd won't be doing the detention ?

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Wibblywobblyfoo · 06/10/2017 20:15

Dd came home from school tonight saying that she has been given an after school detention, to be done on monday, for missing a bit of homework that was meant to be handed in today. She went to her lesson and they were all asked for their homework. She told the teacher there was none and the teacher logged onto the online homework portal and showed them the set work, that she had set at 9.30pm last night!
Dd is 14 and was in bed at 9.30 last night. We also have a no computers after 8.30 pm for them all during the week.
Is setting the work that late reasonable?

OP posts:
Youcanstayundermyumbrella · 07/10/2017 12:57

Thank you, Maisy. That's kind. DD just moved schools and the new school seems so far to have a united and robust attitude which is great. Her previous school worked really hard with us, and the support team was great - a TA went through her planner with her every day, the head of year checked in with her regularly for example - but some individual teachers just didn't ever mention undone homework and I could see that this frustrated their colleagues too.

MaisyPops · 07/10/2017 13:04

That sounds brilliant Youcanstayundermyumbrella. It's a really good set up. I have had students who have a home/school book for that reason. It's been really goos for home-school communication and organisation.

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/10/2017 13:05

elly

O wonder if the sake teacher who sets homework at that time if night is also the sake teacher who would complain that all her ckass are going to bed too late and are not focussed properly in class?

It's no secret that screens too late at night can actually make it harder to sleep

Gileswithachainsaw · 07/10/2017 13:05

Same

MaisyPops · 07/10/2017 13:07

I totally understand it's easy for time to run away with you, but the difficulty is she's not actually telling the kids what they need to do in class and just using Show My Homework
Ah right.
I thought you meant she was saying 'do this task and it's on show my homework'. I would have thought that was reasonable.

What you outline isn't reasonable at all and is worth flagging up. Do you know who the head of department is? That might be the next person up the ladder so to speak. Tjeb you could say 'i've mentioned it to the class teacher but it's still an issue'.

Mosschopz · 07/10/2017 13:13

sigh

Your DD told you she knew nothing of the homework to get your support to challenge the school. And it worked. So she'll do it again.

mountford100 · 07/10/2017 13:16

Just do the Detention no great thing in the scheme of life ! Accept that sometimes consequences come from things outside your control !

MaisyPops · 07/10/2017 13:22

Just do the Detention no great thing in the scheme of life ! Accept that sometimes consequences come from things outside your control !
I think the OP is right to clarify the situation first.

If the homework was put on very late for the next day with no notice then it would be reasonable to say 'im unhappy with a detention in these circumstances but am happy yo do the work'.

If the situation was 'cover work said complete at home' and then it just got uploaded late then I think the teacher is right.

We can't really advise eithet way until yhe OP gets a reply on Monday to her (very reasonable) email.

kali110 · 07/10/2017 13:38

Your DD told you she knew nothing of the homework to get your support to challenge the school. And it worked. So she'll do it again
The fact that only 2 kids out the whole class did it says nothing then...it must be dd saying it to get support Hmm

catkind · 07/10/2017 13:49

Your DD told you she knew nothing of the homework to get your support to challenge the school. And it worked. So she'll do it again.

This was confirmed by OP herself looking at the online portal and the attached note from the teacher. "Sigh" indeed. Where would the gain be for the child in lying anyway? Parent challenges school, school tells parent what actually happened, parent now knows child is not to be trusted.

Timeywimey8 · 07/10/2017 14:05

Personally I think all homework should be set in class AND on the homework portal.

Some of ds' teachers put homework on the portal without telling them in class. I don't mind so much if they've said "there will be homework on the portal due in on [Monday], make sure you look" but it should not simply be put on the portal in my view. It assumes everyone has a very reliable internet connection apart from anything else!

As for next day homework, when I was secondary school, most of my homework had to be in the next day. But ds' school have a policy never to do that, there's always at least a day inbetween.

MaisyPops · 07/10/2017 14:32

Timey
I agree it should be both ideally and if both doesn't happen the class setting should be the one to do.

I've just gone on our portal to check submission and there's 3 students who've not even signed in! (Despite me saying, the homework is on there and needs to be submitted.) what's annoyed me more is that none of them bothered to find me on due date to explain an issue, whereas a 4th hasn't been able to do it and saw me days before so I've sorted that for him.

Sometimes online things are great. Other times I think it creates more issues because now I have to start next week chasing up homework that was due this week.

BeALert · 07/10/2017 14:42

I would completely expect a 14 yo child to still be doing homework and revision at 9:30. I dont know how else would you ever fit in everything they have to do in a day.

I have a 14 year old. She starts school at 8am. She does her homework when she gets home from school at 2.50. If she was still working at 9.30pm that would make it a 14 hour day.

callmeadoctor · 07/10/2017 15:18

Erhmm, no I would not expect a child to be doing homework at 9.30! (My child goes up at 9 and reads a book in bed till 9.30 then lights off, she is 14)

MaisyPops · 07/10/2017 16:05

I'm a teacger and I wouldn't be expecting children to be doing homework at 930!

In y11 I can get revising after school until 7/8ish with space for breaks and hobbies. Not further down thr school.

youarenotkiddingme · 07/10/2017 16:13

I'm surprised at the number of people that didn't realise pupils got after school detention for not doing homework!

I'm not for immediate punishment without discussion but if my ds knew about homework but didn't do it then I'd fully expect a consequence.

kali110 · 07/10/2017 16:14

would completely expect a 14 yo child to still be doing homework and revision at 9:30. I dont know how else would you ever fit in everything they have to do in a day.
Revision, maybe.
Maybe winding down ready to go to bed.
Starting homework?
Nope.

diddl · 07/10/2017 16:50

Going back a few years, I might at 14 have been doing homework at 9/9.30.

That would have been homework that I knew about-I certainly wouldn't have been looking for more!

pointythings · 07/10/2017 17:09

In our house it's lights out at 9.30. So no, my 14yo would not be doing homework. She would be offline by 8.30, in fact. She gets up before 7am so needs the sleep.

And teaching kids that they can do everything they should and still get a detention is not a good lesson. It teaches them not to bother to do the right thing.

youarenotkiddingme · 07/10/2017 17:15

Why would you expect a child to be still doing homework at 9.30?

Schoolday is 6/7 hours so I'd expect 1-2 hours an evening at important times (exams etc) to be inclusive of revision.
But I wouldn't expect a child to be doing 6/7 hour schoolday and then 3/4 hours homework late into the night. That's more than a FT job!

existentialmoment · 07/10/2017 17:17

would completely expect a 14 yo child to still be doing homework and revision at 9:30. I dont know how else would you ever fit in everything they have to do in a day

Everything they have to do in day? They are a school child, not the CEO of a company. There is no need to be studying at 9.30pm, they should be in bed by then.

Shouldnotwouldnot · 07/10/2017 17:23

No computer rule after 8:30 for a 14 year old

Times have changed. At 14 I was going to the pub and occasionally clubbing!

safariboot · 07/10/2017 17:30

I would completely expect a 14 yo child to still be doing homework and revision at 9:30.

'Expect' has multiple meanings. I would expect it in the sense that I think some pupils will do it that late, as indeed OP says two out of a classful did. I would not expect it in the sense of thinking that all students should be doing it that late.

Also, let's be conservative and say arriving home from school at 4pm, and needing an hour break for dinner and chores. To still be working at 9:30 pm a conscientious homework-first pupil will have been doing four and a half hours. While I know that much sometimes gets set, I think it's excessive even in GCSE years. Adults get a 48-hour working week, why should schools demand children study for longer?

(Of course a pupil who plays games and watches TV first will be doing their homework late. But the teacher should not be assuming all pupils work that way.)

steppemum · 07/10/2017 17:39

would completely expect a 14 yo child to still be doing homework and revision at 9:30. I dont know how else would you ever fit in everything they have to do in a day.

ds is 14 and no, he would not be doing homework at 9:30

Occasionally he may still be finishing off something, but at that time I am sending him up to shower and bed.
Maybe in exam season he may still be revising, but a regular school night? No.

Actually most nights at that time he has finished, checked he had done eveerything for tomorrow and packed away homework and bag packed for tomorrow so he can do what he wants for a bit. So how would he know about the homework?

Debpool · 07/10/2017 17:44

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