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To tell the teacher that dd won't be doing the detention ?

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Wibblywobblyfoo · 06/10/2017 20:15

Dd came home from school tonight saying that she has been given an after school detention, to be done on monday, for missing a bit of homework that was meant to be handed in today. She went to her lesson and they were all asked for their homework. She told the teacher there was none and the teacher logged onto the online homework portal and showed them the set work, that she had set at 9.30pm last night!
Dd is 14 and was in bed at 9.30 last night. We also have a no computers after 8.30 pm for them all during the week.
Is setting the work that late reasonable?

OP posts:

Maddy70 · 09/10/2017 20:22

I'm sure that's not what would have happened. It was probably set to expire at 9.30 the night before

kali110 · 09/10/2017 20:23

Common sense prevails!

AlexanderHamilton · 09/10/2017 20:28

It used to really annoy me when this happened. One night a week Ds had rehearsals from 6.30pm - 9.30pm. He used to leave school at 4.00pm. Go to the library, do his homework. Eat at McDonald's then walk back to rehearsal. I picked him up st 9.30pm & it was straight home & bed.

Several times he had homework uploaded late or he'd have overnight homework set that night but the teacher of the homework set the previous day only uploaded it on rehearsal day so he'd end up with 4 pieces of homework to do that night in the hour between school ending & the library closing.

lalalalyra · 09/10/2017 20:57

Attempting to use detention to make up for a missed lesson is ridiculous. I'm glad the SMT seen sense. Hopefully they'll work with the teacher to get proper ways to get the kids back on track

Oldie2017 · 09/10/2017 21:01

Alex, my son sometimes had that too as did a lot of school concerts - there literally was not time to do particular homeworks. He just had a word with the teacher and as he always was pretty good about doing homework it was never a problem but he was lucky to have nice teachers who appreciated his contribution to school concerts.

flumpybear · 09/10/2017 21:05

Good result - new policy so teachers can’t do daft things !

MaisyPops · 09/10/2017 21:46

alexander
I'm mixed on my approach to busy students.
I don't set next day homework (unless it's unofficial 'you are writing this essay tomorrow. You've had this lesson to plan but if you want to polish it off tonight then you can). I do set homework with a 3-7 day turn around depending on the task.

If it's show week or something like that and they are swamped then I will try to make a concession where the material isn't essential to participate in the lesson. But otherwise, part and parcel of choosing to do lots of extracurriculars is that homework has to be done in addition to it.

I do get a little annoyed when I get notes saying 'so and so hasn't done their homework because they had guides Wednesday, then Thursday was at hockey and Friday night was choir then over the weekend she had a tournament/competition'. I feel very much like if people allow their children to do so much they can't reasonably fit in their studies then really they should be dropping something or parents should be accepting that they have to do it around the clubs, which will make for long days.

I say this as someone who did lots of extra curricular activities as a student. My mother's line was always 'you can do them, but you stay on top of your work'.

elfinpre · 10/10/2017 05:26

Doing stuff out of school makes DD1 more organised about doing homework as she knows that on three evenings a week she has reduced time to complete homework so organises the homework around the activities. It wouldn't work if her teachers set homework with a less than 48 hour turnaround (which they don't). Some of her friends have a lot more time to do their homework but struggle to hand it in on time.

Aderyn17 · 10/10/2017 09:55

Maisy, I'm sympathetic to that if you are talking about GCSE level work, but if I'm honest I think that having hobbies and playing sports or music are just as important.
I'm lucky because my dc willingly do their homework but youngest is at primary and I do sometimes think that homework is too much and they need down time as school is pretty full on.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/10/2017 11:57

This is why I’m dreading homework in the future, homework should not be the set up for a next class that’s ridiculous. The teacher should have accepted the school fucked up and rearrange a bit or just be a lesson behind instead she made the students problem and that is wrong. Home work should either be banned or at least very limited, there is no need for kids to lose out on their after school time because they have to do more work that should have been covered in school or at lease a maximum of an hour or two after school but no more. Homework needs a minimum to avoid things like this.

MaisyPops · 10/10/2017 17:39

aderyn

I'm on about right through. Extra curricular are very important. My school runs loads. School is more than grades.

However, part of school is life skills and organisation and accepting that you have to prioritise and organise yourself. I did lots of extras as a child and my mother was right, they are EXTRA curricular. Important, but extra. If I wasn't doing my homework then she would have rightly told me to sort myself out (instead of doing what some do which is think their child deserves special treatment because they have chosen to pack every night of the week with thing)

Just today I've had a parent phone me to to be verbally abusive about another member of staff who dared to issue their child an after school detention on a day that wasn't convenient. Apparently, it should be during school and she didn't give consent. 1. We don't require consent, but we are polite and inform etc. 2. The child had already missed multiple in school detentions,

hooochycoo · 10/10/2017 18:05

Utterly ridiculous!

No wonder young people suffer with stress and depression with this sort of pressure . When I finish work for the day, I finish work. On occasions I need to bring work home with me, it's not ideal as it impacts on my time foreland and see my family but It's not every night and if I know and can plan accordingly. If my work were emailing me after I finish work and demanding I do work for the next day, I'd find that very stressful. And if they punished me for not getting the message or emailed me at bedtime expecting work done tortue next day, I'd be very angry. How can it be right to treat children like this?

LittleOwl153 · 10/10/2017 18:37

I think this is an example of where technology just adds to to the stress.
When I was at school, homework was set at the end of the lesson, with a deadline, usually for the next class - which might have been next day for subjects like maths or longer for subjects with less timetable space. It was written down by students in a homework diary at the time so everyone knew where they were at. Any questions about the work set were also answered at that point or immediately after class. None of this stuff set online hours / days later to be discovered and stressed about.
Not looking forward to my DCs hitting secondary, eldest is already anxious enough about school!

MaisyPops · 10/10/2017 20:40

I think this is an example of where technology just adds to to the stress
You're telling me.

We use a moodle system and it drives me mad.

I set all my homework in class and give paper copies and get them to write it in their planner. I also give reasonable deadlines.
And yet theres the odd student whi will argue they couldnt do their homework because i uploaded it late to moodle.
E.g. set on Monday 1030am. Due a WEEK on Monday. Everything given in class. All explained. Upload from home at 7pm Monday.

Or I get messages on moodle the night before homework is due saying 'miss i don't have my book so can't do homework'. I reply the next working day pointing out they had A WHOLE WEEK to collect yheir book.
Like I'm replying yo students at 10pm

Lovethebubbles · 10/10/2017 21:51

Wondering what the update is? Did the teacher respond to your email OP?

Fffion · 10/10/2017 21:52

Teachers don't usually give detentions for fun. The OPs DD is being economical with the truth.

catkind · 10/10/2017 22:05

Eh the teacher confirmed it Fffion. You may have missed OP's update.

Willow2017 · 10/10/2017 22:15

OP updated 4 times on Monday!

LoniceraJaponica · 10/10/2017 22:16

"Also, online homework? Is this what I have to look forward to when DD starts secondary? We have no computer or landline!"

Welcome to the 21st century. Your daughter will be massively disadvantaged without both of these. Most secondary school homework is set online on the school's VLE. If you are financially disadvantaged I'm sure you can get some help.

Teachers won't accept the excuse that the students can't access their homework unless the system goes down. It is a rather overused excuse.

TheMaddHugger · 10/10/2017 22:19

Fffion Tue 10-Oct-17 21:52:40
Teachers don't usually give detentions for fun. The OPs DD is being economical with the truth.

To tell the teacher that dd won't be doing the detention ?

Willow2017 · 10/10/2017 22:19

Fffion
Teacher confirmed it and tried to justify it.
HOP had several complaints and is not happy. Is looking in to it to make sure it doesnt happen again.
Detention cancelled.

Maybe you should rtt before making sweeping assumptions?

MaisyPops · 10/10/2017 22:25

Teachers won't accept the excuse that the students can't access their homework unless the system goes down. It is a rather overused excuse.
This.
Plus we know when the system goes down or has issuea because our tech team see them.

Homeworl is set in class but also online on the learning platform. Some of hand in on paper and others are online homeworks. We have the library open all day (including before and after school) to do homework and a study zone available after school.

No reason not to do homework

BewareOfDragons · 10/10/2017 22:35

Teachers don't usually give detentions for fun. The OPs DD is being economical with the truth.

Fdfion, you're being economical with your reading skills. Updates have been very clear: the teacher confirmed her DD's account and defended it! The school has sided with parents on this one.

safariboot · 11/10/2017 13:10

Teachers won't accept the excuse that the students can't access their homework unless the system goes down. It is a rather overused excuse.

So what happens when the teacher sets a piece of homework, due next day, must be done online, and their home's internet is broken all evening. And there's no libraries or anything because they don't have any money to stay open any more.

Puts the kid in detention for something that wasn't their fault, I'm betting.

/rant

PaleAzureofSummer · 11/10/2017 13:17

I dont think dd's school ever only give one night for homework. They'd probably say they should have done it earlier or at school. Dd is so going to come unstuck with this at some point as she likes to leave stuff to the night before.

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