To tell the teacher that dd won't be doing the detention ?

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Dd came home from school tonight saying that she has been given an after school detention, to be done on monday, for missing a bit of homework that was meant to be handed in today. She went to her lesson and they were all asked for their homework. She told the teacher there was none and the teacher logged onto the online homework portal and showed them the set work, that she had set at 9.30pm last night!
Dd is 14 and was in bed at 9.30 last night. We also have a no computers after 8.30 pm for them all during the week.
Is setting the work that late reasonable?

IdaJones yes I agree. Don't want to say too much as it may be outing but it was the usual culprits driving the teacher up the wall that resulted in the whole class being given detention.

I don't necessarily agree with the whole peer pressure argument of that but I do see the logic behind it. My thoughts were the same group do it every lesson and if they were concerned about how their peers in their class would feel they'd have stopped in week 1!

I think that's why a few of them rebelled. In the sense that they hadn't done wrong so why should they be punished.

When I asked DD why she didn't go she replied "well no one else was going". .

The lesson it happened in was last lesson and DD was one of those allowed to go on time for the bus as she and some of her friends hadn't been naughty.
I have had words with her though, and told her that if the teacher decides to give them a further detention, I'll be fully supporting them.

G1raffe
How did it work?
Genuinely interested because I've been in schools with no after school detention policies and found that the attitude of parents/kids (sizeable minority) was dreadful. All rights and no responsibility.

I'd be really interested in a system where it works.

Excellent email OP, very measured. There must surely have been some hiccup somewhere along the line as, if the situation is actually as it appears, it is utterly preposterous. Setting prep at 9.30 to be in the next day

I’m dam sure any kid doing detention is there assigns their will, they would happily be somewhere else

I am amazed at the level of disbelief levelled at the OP here - because this kind of error has happened to both my DDs. Teacher mentions that they will be putting homework online - not for next day but nevertheless). Teacher fails to put the homework up online because hey, they are a teacher and have frantically busy lives. Teacher does in fact end up putting the homework up online - late at night the day before it is due.

The difference is that nobody got a detention because the teacher wasn't a complete dick, realised that he had made a mistake and changed the deadline on the homework. Which is what this teacher should have done.

Maisy I've only taught in 6th form colleges and a grammar school so it may be a different cohort. But it's known that the supeerstrict school near us gives lots of detentions but not others.

As there were school buses and afterschool detention would have been a HUGE thing. I guess they probably happened but I never ever gave one in the time I was there. I maybe gave 2 lunchtime ones in the time I was there! I loved working there.

The one with lots of detentions locally is known as a bit "boot camp" like. The "nicer" schools seem more flexible to be honest.

G1raffe - ah right

The boot camp onea near me are boot camp lile because they've previously been poor schools and they're trying to turn it around, starting with setting basic standards like 'do your bloody homework & don't disrupt lessons'.

My school is strict, but reasonable. So we do issue detentions for rule infringements, but equally our rules are more than fair and students know where thry stand. I alwayd tell my groups that I am strict because I care and time I save not having to deal eith poor behaviour and detentions is time I can spend on them in better ways e.g. revision drop ins/marking their books more frequently etc.
In my school most students prefer the stricter teachers for this reason.

This detention seems totally unreasonable on the facts you have, OP. I hope you get a sensible explanation or retraction of the detention.

Our school gives an afterschool detention for every homework not handed in once an extension has been given. They call this homework support and they are expected to complete homework in the time, with a teacher present. I completely support this as a parent of a child who is allergic to homework. Previous schools didn't bother to sanction undone homework, or gave 10 minute lunch time detentions so it pretty much didn't happen, and it caused so much stress.

Even the after school detentions have little effect on DD, who continues to give zero fucks what her teachers think of her, but we get notified of them and the consequence at home is a total screen ban, which she cares massively about, so they are having an effect at last, even if not quite as the school intends.

Our school gives lunchtime detentions to Yr3 children, 7 year olds! Who are just getting to grips with junior school... I really don't agree with the practice or lots of homework in primary.

Our school gives lunchtime detentions to Yr3 children, 7 year olds! Who are just getting to grips with junior school... I really don't agree with the practice or lots of homework in primary.

What for? I've been teaching for forty years and only give detentions for in-school shite, i.e. lack of work, misbehaviour.

I've never given a home work detention. The clue is in the name: Home. Work. It's for the parents to sort out. Homework is a privilege, and if they don't do it, tough. Not my problem.

Yr3 detentions for failing to hand in homework. Or forgetting to put their name on the sheet or not using interesting enough adjectives....! These children have just joined from an infant school...

echt, please don't set it then. Your instructions to do it, not the parents. So you get to deal with it not being done.

YANBU

Our school also issues detentions for late homework and we've had the same issue with 1 particular teacher

Our school uses Show My Homework and I've got the ap on my phone so I can check myself.

This particular teacher runs out of time to set the homework in class so tells the kids to check Show My Homework later. About 9pm my phone pings with an alert to tell me homework has been added and when I look, it's always this teacher setting homework to be handed in the next day. I can send a message via the ap so after the first time she tried to set a detention, I message to say DD has gone to bed so won't be handing in the homework the next day

Yr3 detentions for failing to hand in homework. Or forgetting to put their name on the sheet or not using interesting enough adjectives....! These children have just joined from an infant school

Unbefuckinglievable that kids are kept in detention about work.

Never ever associate detention with learning. Bore their arse off, (copying from the dictionary in best handwriting) then tell them they still have to hand in the work tomorrow.
Real understand issues can be sorted out at this point, as opposed to couldn't be arsed listening-type issues.

I'm in secondary and have said upthread I do not give homework detentions. If their name isn't on the sheet, it is handed back. When it is returned to the student, it goes to the bottom of my marking pile.

This particular teacher runs out of time to set the homework in class so tells the kids to check Show My Homework later

Unacceptable. Now that is one where I'd want speak to the teacher. Can't plan a lesson. Jesus.

On the info given my dd wouldn't be doing the detention either.

We have and will continue to have a no screens in the week rule unless needed for homework. Dr also has to leave her phone downstairs at bed time and although she's only eleven at the moment I won't be having her upstairs alone with her phone at bedtime at 14 either.

If she forgets her wirk all the time then fine detention it is. Ditto with poor behaviour.

Set homework at a time where she won't have access to her phone or a screen?

No. Just no.

They need sleep

Unacceptable. Now that is one where I'd want speak to the teacher. Can't plan a lesson. Jesus.
Or the task is self-explanatory and the teacher was busy helping a child.
Or everyone has days where the teacher and students are engrossed in learning and time flies.
But sure. They're just shit and can't plan a lesson.

Can see the thread now 'my child can't do homework because instead of helping my child she stopped the whole class to tell them to check a task that they could read themselves at home'.

Anyway, I've got to upload my homework task that I set yesterday and all the students wrote down. I'll enjoy being a crap teacher who can't plan a lesson or homework.

echt, please don't set it then. Your instructions to do it, not the parents. So you get to deal with it not being done

I'm not sure what you mean, Youcan The instructions are to the pupils. The information is for the parents so they can support their children in doing the work.

I set work that can be done at home, i.e. without a teacher at hand. It means that that I have taught the skills and knowledge for this to be done in the timeframe I have set. The timeframe is never over night, nor does it ever imply working at weekends or holidays. The timeframe allows for the pupil to attend homework club or see me before or after school.

I would completely expect a 14 yo child to still be doing homework and revision at 9:30. I dont know how else would you ever fit in everything they have to do in a day.

Its obviously unfortunate that a teacher was off sick and had to do it that way but the alternative is that children miss some of the content of the course and do worse in their exams. So I would expect students to stay in after school and catch up, rather than lose out. I am sure the teacher isn't doing it for the kicks.

Yes, Maisypops, the implication of the post was that this teacher routinely runs out of time to set homework so yes, it's shit planning.

As a teacher and a parent of secondary aged children, I wouldn't let her do the detention if the homework was only set at 9.30. I would get her to do it during the weekend and hand it in on Monday.

echt
Routinely running out of time is poor time management. It doesn't mean they can't plan a lesson properly.

If people are going to raise concerns, I'm a big believer that they deal with the specific issue and do it politely (without making unfounded comments about other elements of their job).

Where someonr is always running out of time then the concern would be 'hi mrs x mr y, I wondered if you had a couple of minutes for me to ask about homework. DC is keen to do well but has said that they don't always get the homework explained in class because you run out of time. How often does this happen?'

Some homework is all onlinr e.g. i know in other departments they have online things they use so they'll say 'and you homework is 'section 5 on PLATFORM NAME' and they expect students to go online and check. All instructions are there. In a situatoon like that it would be unreasonable to say theu are just sending students online.

All about context in opinion. But where there are concerns raising them constructively is always better tjan 'DC says you run out of time and you cant plan lessons properly'

echt, speaking as a parent who has expended an inordinate amount of time and emotional energy getting an extremely reluctant child to do homework, teachers like you who say that getting that homework done is all my responsibility and don't ever punish undone homework make my life that much harder.

I don't set my child homework. Teachers do, for the reasons you say, and because I want my child eventually to develop those skills, and because I want to support the school, I do my damndest to try to get that homework done, whether by restricting screens or putting together homework timetables or talking to the school, or any one of twenty other things. And frankly the approach I would most rather take is to let her take the consequences herself and learn from tagr. But teachers who don't offer consequences undermine that. There may be longer term consequences that are more severe for her, like failing exams. Or she'll be just fine if she never does any homework in her life. I don't know, but I love her too much not to try to make a difference. Hearing 'but Miss doesn't even care' is a tiny bit soul destroying.

Youcanstayundermyumbrella
You sound fabulous.

Hearing 'but Miss doesn't even care' is a tiny bit soul destroying
I'm with you 100%. (And as a member of staff it annoys me when some staff take this approach too)

It's why when there are issues I'll always talk to parents, hear where they are coming from and we have a joint plan.

Usually something like 'your teachers are setting you homework. You mum is trying to support you to do well. Why are you being so awkward to your parent when she only wants what is best for you? Mum and I have been talking and we have agreed x y z'

Usually we can find a solution that works together, even if it takes a while to be effective.

It is a regular occurrence with this teacher. This is the second year DD has had her and it was the same last year.

I totally understand it's easy for time to run away with you, but the difficulty is she's not actually telling the kids what they need to do in class and just using Show My Homework

The school use various websites so the kids can do the homework online. It's usually pretty self explanatory, but they don't know what it they need to do - she'll just tell them she'll put it on Show My homework later. No problem, if it's uploaded at a reasonable time.

So, for example, last week DD had a worksheet to do, but the worksheet wasn't uploaded until 9:10pm. The sheet was easy enough, but DD couldn't do it until it had been uploaded and she'd already gone to bed by the time it had.

We've spoken to the teacher and school about this several times, as have other parents but it continues. We just refuse to allow DD to do the detention, and send a message through the ap explaining why