Harvey Weinstein

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Rumours have been circulating about this disgusting man and his sleazy casting couch for years... He has offered a half-hearted apology, but seems rather smug about the fact that his family are supporting him.

AIBU to think his wife is misguided? What sort of example is she setting to her daughter? After all, this isn't a one-off - it is a pattern of serious abuse of women over decades.

www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/harvey-weinstein-harassment-allegations.html

I've encountered quite a few male predators throughout my life, in fact probably more than the norm. From being cornered by a man with his dongle on parade in an alley aged 9, to the senior execs I worked with in the 80s & 90s who were overtly sleazy and made no attempts to hide their leering lust, have had my thigh rubbed more times than a dog with an itch. And then there was the music producer, who in his London office one sunny afternoon, had sent his secretary home early, so he could get down to some 'serious business' with me. Have never exited a building so fast. Young dreams shattered by a bald pug who seemed to know it all. Needless to say, my naievity did not last long!
Have been assaulted in the middle of a busy London street, by a gang of Asian youths who thought it was ok to have a collective grope while they rampaged past me high on drugs, and had a man shove his hand up my pants, on the stairs of a London Underground station...
And I could go on..and on..
But my point is this, male predatory behaviour is everywhere around us. It is rife, and always has been. Masculinity is sometimes just so hard for a man to contain, and when a man like that, finds himself in a position of power, well of course he's a force to be reckoned with.
Thankfully, none of my experiences have ever left a lasting impression. Far from feeling violated, I have simply felt pity. I'm the strong one here..and they are the ones who were weak. Public outcry and the repercussion these predators are now having to face, will helpfully change things for the better.

Each, when you said she was ‘smooching up’ to him that was not the kind of photo I envisioned.

How do we know she wasn’t caught off guard at an event and didn’t want to make a scene by declining to have her photo taken with him? Perfectly possible.

My expectation is that there will be a few sacrificial lambs put out of to slaughter (aka men they have wanted to cut for business reasons but now can do under a veil of appearing to clean up the business), other predators will be a damn sight more careful about getting women to sign NDA’s before they harass/assault then and slowly but surely it will be business as usual before too long.

Truth is the people with the power to effect tangible change in the industry are the very same people who want to maintain the status quo. Sure not all of them use that power for sexual gratification, but they absolutely enjoy being power players who can make or break a career with a phone call.

They won’t want to be held accountable by implementing appropriate governance and standards and they don’t want to be stifled by setting up an industry framework that protects people by enabling them to report abuse to an independent body and has the teeth to act on it.

You know that old thing about the Eason gay men are (generally speaking) more promiscuous and less monogamous being down to the fact that men will have sex as and when they can, and without the restraining influence of women they can get it on with anyone anywhere (thinking cruising / bath-houses / cottaging etc etc)....it seems like we now have to conclude men generally do want to have sex under any conditions (coercive, exploitative, non consensual, consensual, one night stands, all possible permutations) and it really is women who prevent this. And men in power don't have the restraints .

Fucking depressing.

There was an awful lot of hate on here when Myleene Klaas mentioned the 'sex contract'. I'll assume, given the outpouring of sympathy (quite rightly) for HWs victims, that people will revisit their consciences!

Apparently Oliver Stone has now changed his tune and is saying he's now "caught up" on the full extent of the accusations against HW and will now not work as a Producer on the tv show "Guantanamo" if the Weinstein Group are involved.

I can't find a source for this yet but it was reported on BBC Radio 2 News at 1pm.

Ah, here it is: variety.com/2017/film/global/oliver-stone-harvey-weinstein-guantanamo-1202589124/

ZooeyAndFranny I have often thought this. And have known straight men who wil also have sex any time or place regardless of whether they fancy the person or no. Real addictive behaviour. Hope it's not true of all men.

I dunno wrong word maybe? What can I say without being accused of victim blaming? All these massive statements accompanied with pictures where body parts are touching? These are the pictures that the press are putting out there with the statements. If she never wanted to work with him why would you be bamboozled into having such nicey photos taken? He already limited her career she says so herself. It's a different world. I wonder what Michael Sheen thought of it all?

It can't be true of all men surely not? Even gay men.

Homophobic and prejudiced of posters to suggest things about gay men (in general) in comparison with straight men.

I was replying to a comment upthread

So according to Oliver Stone “I’ve been travelling for the last couple of days and wasn’t aware of all the women who came out to support the original story in the New York Times."

So why didn't he just say that when asked to comment first time then? i.e. 'Can't give a statement on this right now, been travelling and do not have all the info available, I'll make a statement when I've got up to date with all the details as they are currently??'

No........instead he went mouthing off in defense of a perv because, well, there are loads of 'horror stories' concerning men in hollywood and these things happen, we can't go around being quick to make judgement on the hearsay of just a few women. Acting like vigilantes they are. Look how its making HW suffer. What about him? Anyone thinking about this poor guys life?

Now I suspect some public relations expert has whispered in his ear and his head PA is scrambling about trying to do credibility containment. Hence backpeddling furiously from the 'it's just the way things have always been' tone and the 'magnanimous' gesture to not do projects with TWC. Which is all about how it makes him look better, not about condemning HW for the things he's done.

Where was he travelling back from the moon

Another man with another poor fucking excuse pr written to save my reputation statement shame on them

Sadly a few women join that list to

Oliver Stone quiet? back peddling and then this www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4976186/Playboy-Playmate-accuses-Oliver-Stone-groping-breast.html

civilservant
Have you never heard people suggest that gay men are more promiscuous than straight men?
I was not saying it is true. I am saying it is something people say. And my point is, precisely yours, men are men and they appear (as a class) to be willing to have sex all the time under any circs.

A former assistant, Lisa Rose, speaks of being harassed aged 22 in the late-80s: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41602224

So Oliver likes the occasional grope too then?

How fucking tedious.

A male perspective:

These guys are just flipping creepy. There's no "sexuality that can't be contained" here as one poster suggested - that implies they're so sexually powerful that "overspill" is inevitable.

Rather it's again just about power. Guys who in the real world might be standing on a bridge in a mac pleasuring themselves, but in the world of being a mogul, they can wear a bathrobe instead.

It's guys who have a warped and twisted view of male-female power relationships and use sex as a destructive force.

Oliver Stone:

twitter.com/ericzieg/status/918842520670482433

I've always considered him to be a conspiracy nutjob and as such to be avoided.

Tory MP David Amess says the claims are ‘dubious’

Cunt
www.southendstandard.co.uk/news/15594777.MP_slams__dubious__claims_against_Harvey_Weinstein/

Who remembers the stories of Manchester United football players "harvesting" (their euphemism) young women from the beauty counters of Selfridges and Harvey Nichols in Manchester City Centre for (sex) parties?

So women in power ever behave like this??

Jessi and Gluteous

When Emma Thompson talks about power structures my thoughts also turn to women further down the socio economic scale. There will be many in low paid jobs like retail or care who may be being sexually harassed and cant afford not to put up with it. They may be on tax credits or Universal Credit and face a benefit sanction if they dare say anything or make a complaint. Or the loss of hours if its a zero hours contract. Imagine having to explain that you have left a job due to sexual harassment knowing that you possibly risk a sanction.

I bet this or the risk of this has sadly happened to someone.

Ayn Rand did abuse her power in this kind of way. On a much smaller scale. But I'd expect the vast vast majority of using power for the purpose of sexually abusing people will be done by men.

David Amess has now retracted the comments saying the press release "hadn't been seen or authorised".

I am waiting on whether Steven Spielberg reveals the "lots of opinions" he has on this, but it wasn't the right time to comment when asked (this was last week at an event).