To think kids shouldn't talk to teachers like this.

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I realise that the majority of kids will show respect to teachers but some of the stuff my dgc tell me is awful. One girl called her teacher a disgusting human being" , another said "you dirty little peado", another one said, when asked not to shout "who do you think you're talking to".

How has it all come to this, i despair, where's the respect gone, please tell me it's not all that bad and not typical of the average 12/13 year old and probably above.

I think a lot of kids now have got this "i'm untouchable" attitude, as in they know all their rights and know that there aren't really any consequences for their actions. Parents who don't allow any other adult to tell their child off regardless of awful behaviour that affects other people, this is the end result. It really is quite depressing isn't it.

brilliant

My kids all attended state high schools and yes there was a smattering of these cheeky brats and parents but generally they were very strict on discipline.

Our local private high school however houses some of the worst obnoxious and odious teens ever known.
They arnt invited to any parties now after wreaking a house and community center. Did thousands of pounds worth of damage. Wealthy parents paid for the damage but no concequences.

Truth is there are fucking stupid lazy and bad parents from the poshest houses and the worst estates.

Pengggwyn Ditto re yeah - the answer to the register is good morning Ms Fairy oh how they'd take the piss out of me with that one in response to me saying good morning to them. Most do it, some don't and those that don't just don't seem to care that much.

Being told to 'Fuck off darkie' by a year 3 child was marvellous.

Our education model is not fit for purpose. Too many complex needs whether that's emotional, behavioural or genetic and not enough money or specialist training to cater for it all.

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Some teachers command respect, others don't^

As seen here, some think that it is primarily the teacher's fault

yeah, that's what my whole post said..

The "old fashioned" teachers using "old fashioned" teaching methods (minus the violence of the past) seem to be doing fine discipline wise.

People always harp on about how kids USED to respect teachers in the past, but don't actually want the methods of the past to be used.

Different methods produce different results - so yes, actually, I do put SOME of the blame on teachers (or rather on how the teachers have been taught to teach).

(my dad is a teacher, we often have this discussion)

It's getting worse but certainly not new. I went to a state convent school in the early 80s and I remember a student in my class telling a priest to fuck off during an RE lesson.

Perhaps the difference then was that the whole class were shocked. The priest asked us to get on with some work and spent the rest of the lesson praying for the girl. Didn't hear a peep out the class, doubt that would happen now

Not another excuse. Fact. I have witnessed how some staff speak to children at school. Some children will take it but others won't.

at the praying.

Needs adding to the behaviour policy immediately.

I used to work with a wonderfully wacky lady who, if children in her class were up to no good, she used to sing opera style at the top of her lungs. Used to stop most things straight away due to pure shock.

To add to some of these comments, not all schools appreciate the kind of parent who will stand solidly behind any decision the school makes, bend over backwards to assist them etc. The school generally just takes the piss and takes us for granted and turns us into the kind of parents that this thread is about.

Don't get me wrong I don't think random bad behaviour at school is right but I find it very hard to criticize any of the children and parents mentioned on this thread with out at least knowing the background

Another excuse. FWIW, the children I have taught with the worst 'backgrounds' have often been the quiet ones.

Given the sort of language I see on MN, I am not remotely surprised that some kids act like this. I don't believe you if you say you confine it to MN or the internet generally.

However, aren't some teenagers rude and full of attitude full stop? They try it on with their parents, they do the same with teachers.

I also don't think there should be unthinking acceptance of authority. It is a very difficult line to tread. And rudeness and swearing is never ok.

But I don't think teachers are always right. And in fact, good teachers, in good schools, accept that. I said on another thread today that a teacher let my ds off a detention when I said I had seen him doing the homework. That was a good teacher who used their common sense and didn't assume I was lying (I wasn't). My ds will also have registered that decision by the teacher.

But I will say again, rudeness and swearing are never ok, including on MN.

I think it shows how things have changed when you can recall a particular incident from years ago and remember how shocking it was to hear it. Now sadly it seems to be becoming the norm.

That's terrible OP. Do you think the bad attitude is learned from the parents? In direct contrast, 60 years ago when I was at school, the headmaster used to stalk the corridors, swishing a cane and looking for victims wrongdoers. I'm glad times have changed but maybe it has gone too far the other way.

Forgot to add, if they have zero respect for authority figures now, they are in for a rough time when they begin working.

Yes it was all afternoon, she had been warned twice in the morning. She never did it again, better to be humiliated than crack her head open. Do you not think?
I think 10 minutes would have been more than sufficient to get your point across. Or if child was doing it out of deliberate defiance send to head/house points/whatever standard procedure is. I can't see how your option could fit any behaviour management policy I've seen.

Don't get me wrong I don't think random bad behaviour at school is right but I find it very hard to criticize any of the children and parents mentioned on this thread with out at least knowing the background

Background makes fuck all difference. You do not say some of the things mentioned on this thread to any human being, let alone your teacher.

You only have to see some of the loons on mumsnet going off on one if the teacher raises his/her voice a single decibel at their PFB who always behaves and never lies. No wonder there is no respect from the children. Teachers are loathed and ridiculed- the press keeps going on about how standards are dropping and of course it's due to the stupid teachers. They are falsely portrayed as having a cushy job with long holidays when nothing could be further from the truth. I would rather rip my fingernails out than be a secondary school teacher. It was shocking enough how teachers were treated when I was at school but at least there weren't a barrage of obnoxious abusive parents taking every opportunity to belittle them. Instead, the obnoxious kids from my school years have become the obnoxious parents...

When I was getting my a-levels I briefly considered a career as a teacher.

So pleased I didn’t do it. They’re treated appallingly these days, mostly by precious parents. On a mum’s group I’m on on FB a parent was “fumming” and wanted to move her daughter to another school because the teacher had told her off for swearing and breaking another kid’s toy. Someone else on the same group was setting up a meeting with the head because they asked girls to wear cardigans on school picture day instead of jumpers, and cardigans aren’t as warm.

As if teachers have time for this shit. When did we become so entitled?!

I teach in a unit within a school and have been called lots of different names. Very rarely is it personal- I have a noticeable disability and they are generally very caring towards me and cold shoulder anyone deemed as ‘mean’.
You do have to command respect eg Be ruthlessly fair, stick firmly to boundaries and yet show kindness and show your human side.
Children in are there for all sorts of reasons. Some have no adult role models and run riot because there are no boundaries outside School, some are never told ‘no’ and all struggle to just talk to people (adults and peers) they swear as part of their day to day language. I pull them up everytime and gradually it peters out.
In the main school it’s still rare to have a child swear ‘at’ you and for slt to deal with it it has to be ‘at’ you. And most parents believe this. I am a stickler for the rules- no swearing and I ‘look’ if I hear it and I never want to hear the C word. Different staff have different rules. It has got worse though :/

I'm a primary school head and I got called a cunt today.

Pengggwyn - you are a waste of time and don't deserve to be here because you don't want to learn.

How can anybody respect a teacher who talks to them like that?

Being told to 'Fuck off darkie' by a year 3 child was marvellous. That is truly shocking, but can only have come from the child's home environment.

I'm a governor at a grammar and can honestly say that discipline is not a problem (apart from the serial gum-chewers). But it's a competitive environment, and anxiety over academic performance is endemic.

I watch Educating Manchester with my Y8 dd. She sits there incredulous that the children are allowed phones and iPods in class.

In her school the students and parents have to sign a behaviour agreement before they start. They're allowed a phone in school, switched off in their bag. If they are caught using in during a lesson, in the school corridors or at break then it's confiscated for a WEEK! Dd says she's never heard it happen, but the idea of loosing a phone for a week is so severe that no-one dares use a phone in school.

She says swearing in rife in the school grounds but she has never heard anyone swearing at a Teacher. There's a bit of cheeky chat tolerated but that's it.

She has had 2 lunchtime detentions since starting Y7 for talking in class. Totally with my blessing.

I'm old fashioned. I think Teachers deserve huge respect.

nameoh as HT what are you going to do about this? Completely unacceptable, but if anyone's in a position to change the organisational culture it's you.

Please tell me you invoked a disciplinary procedure?