To think kids shouldn't talk to teachers like this.

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I realise that the majority of kids will show respect to teachers but some of the stuff my dgc tell me is awful. One girl called her teacher a disgusting human being" , another said "you dirty little peado", another one said, when asked not to shout "who do you think you're talking to".

How has it all come to this, i despair, where's the respect gone, please tell me it's not all that bad and not typical of the average 12/13 year old and probably above.

Entitlement is ...

Oh don't get me started. I have parents patiently explaining to me all the time that I need to 'negotiate' with their child as they 'don't respond to one-sided instructions and need to see that someone is giving respect to get it

Do you laugh in their face? I would be tempted to. Anyone who 'negotiates' with kids over non-negotiable stuff is setting that kid up for a life of trouble. It really won't help them.

I don't think it's ever okay for a child to threaten a teacher.
I also don't think it's okay not to let a girl who's on her period go to the loo. But we'd better not go into that one in case the school toilet troll is still lurking.

The "old fashioned" teachers using "old fashioned" teaching methods (minus the violence of the past) seem to be doing fine discipline wise.

Really not true

People always harp on about how kids USED to respect teachers in the past, but don't actually want the methods of the past to be used.

Because the old fashioned methods always used the stick.

And lets not forget that the "old fashion" methods involved no SEND and shipping any child that didn't fit exactly into the box in to "special" schools.

Catkind there are some things we agree on then as I don't think it is also acceptable to threaten a teacher. I don't let children go to the loo in lessons but I am wary and would if I I thought a girl was on her period.

I feel sorry for teachers. It’s an incredibly difficult task to maintain discipline when parents are not on board. Only today there was a sad faces picture of a father and daughter in the paper. Apparently she was being ‘persecuted’ by her school for wearing jewellery that is not permitted under school rules but the little snowflake absolutely needs to wear this jewellery ‘to express herself’.

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Agree with pp that if kids get away with acting / talking like this, they will carry it on into adulthood.

I manage someone who is nearly 30 who acts like this. Hoping she would grow out of it / learn by example hasn't worked (that's how SLT wanted it managed to begin with).

I know we are meant to have broad shoulders but

glitterlips1
Not another excuse. Fact.

The word that you are looking for is "anecdote"

I deal with parents in my job although am not a teacher and it’s amazing how many forget they have a meeting or to send back important documents when it’s their child’s well being and future at stake.
TBH I generally see bad behaviour sanctioned, but it’s hard if the kid doesn’t care as where do you go with that? There was disrespect when I was st school and I remember a boy in my class throwing a chair at a teacher.

I have been assaulted and called a few hideous choice names throughout my career. I would also add that I work in a lovely school.

It is very sad nowadays how some students choose to behave.

I'm really shocked at some of the examples of abuse teachers have to put up with it. Especially the younger children, My DC are all under 12 in primary thankfully they have been reported to be generally very well behaved, the majority are good according to DC's daily reports.

The parents are most definitely responsible for the younger ones. Unfortunately I do not think you can always blame parents of the teen's with per pressure and wanying to be cool. I was unnecessarily cheeky sometimes at secondary school if I felt embarrassed or singled out. Through no fault of my parents.

Those days are long behind me.

When I was in secondary, 2006-2011, there was far worse said to my teachers. Did my head in because one teenage twat would disrupt the whole class and we’d fall behind and have to do the extra work as homework. Did my head in.

Teachers are not the only ones who work beyond their contracted hours. Yawn. Many other professions do too.

Teachers are not the only ones who work beyond their contracted hours. Yawn. Many other professions do too.

Sure. I often do. But I also don't have to deal with anyone who shouts in my face or tries to throw things at me. And if I did, I'd never have to deal with that person again. I couldn't teach for an hour with the attitude of so many of the kids (and their parents) that my DH has to handle.

glitterlips1

Has anyone mentioned hours worked?
I must have missed it.

It was said to an undiagnosed dyslexic child who was struggling to read and the teacher thought they just weren't trying, this was some years ago.

The really sad thing if they those parents who instantly complain about teachers and stick by their darlings are raising adults who cannot understand authority.

When my ds was 16 he had a job as s kitchen porter and worked 9am to 11 pm. Often no break. If the porters were late the punishment was full floor mop st the end of the shift. The chefs were loud and tough but my god they looked after the teenagers and taught them so so much.

That job taught my ds that life can be tough and jobs can be boring and you do as your told.

It also taught him skills, toughness. Confidence and hard work.

Even if we thought a teacher had been a tad OTT we never ever criticised them to our kids.

No employer will dance around the darlings. Need to be work
Prepared and life prepared.

Most who work additional hours get paid for additional hours.
These examples are exactly why parents choose private.
It certainly wasn’t corporal punishment that had me behaving respectfully, I was treated with respect and simply mirrored the behaviour. Class size was 40 routinely, but as mentioned getting expelled from mainstream school (academic) to the trade school was common from 14 on.

Most who work additional hours get paid for additional hours.
Not professionals, no. Not that I think this is in any way relevant to the thread.

The school in Educating Manchester looks like Eton compared to my High School.

My year 10 classes give me nightmares. They swear, fight and frequently tell me to fuck off. They don't like my new seating plan, so they walk out. I'm a good teacher, outstanding according to Ofsted.

It's the lack of support from SLT and the fear of coming down hard and imposing sanctions for the appalling behaviour that makes me weep.

Up until this September I loved my job, but I think it's beaten me.

I set them detentions. They don't go. SLT turn a blind eye. They have no need to behave. There are no repercussions.

It was watching last year's "Educating" series that we decided to send ds1 to the strictest, most old fashioned secondary school we could find. So he's going to school in the 1950s (strictly enforced uniform, tons of homework, stand up when a teacher enters the room, detention for every minor infraction) but this sort of behaviour is virtually unknown there.

I am forcibly reminded of my own secondary education experience by "Educating Manchester". And not in a good way.