How would you feel if your 16 year old DS wanted to become a 'young conservative'

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I agree. However having lived through rampant inflation increasing wages can contribute to that. IT becomes an out of control spiral either way.

Ramping up wages to increase a family income only has a short term effect. Like the social shift when women entered the workplace in greater numbers. Initially each family felt better off, but it has had a knock on effect of house prices as now you need two adults to service a mortgage rather than one. When only one income was taken into account, it didn't fuel house price inflation quite so much.
I'm not saying we should return to that, just that some things have knock on effects.

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Capitalism is fine, so long as its constrained and balanced by strong social welfare policies.

Like I had failed in every way to teach them about equality and social justice and folk less fortunate than them. Since I'm a children's social worker i would feel pretty betrayed too

It is possible to achieve better income for all though Hive but it requires there being less of a gap between lower and higher incomes which the rich in the UK won't stand for. Although it would be best if employers would ensure the wage gap isn't too large and people have a living wage, the next best thing is the government topping up wages and it works well enough if done properly.

Again though natsku it's not only the rich that "won't stand for that" in regards to pay differential, it's the population who are unlikely to want a teacher to be paid at the same rate as a TA etc. I can't really blame them.

Initially each family felt better off, but it has had a knock on effect of house prices as now you need two adults to service a mortgage rather than one. When only one income was taken into account, it didn't fuel house price inflation quite so much

I am not sure about this.

Having a smaller wage gap doesn't require a teacher being paid the same as a TA, its not that hard to understand.

Off topic but Millie we do call schools high schools in England.

Lower wage gaps remove some of the incentive to take on more responsibility or even to take up initial training.

The FT reported on a recent study. Gap between rich and poor looked like 1:12 but when you factored in the highest proportion of taxes in British history being paid by the rich (although everyone seems to think we pay zero and evade them which is pretty awful for those of us busting a gut to pay massive taxes) and benefits at the bottom end it was a perfectly reasonable 1:4. Not a big gap at all and perfectly reflective of market forces and the different factors which determine who earns what.

There are lower wage gaps here in Finland but we still have plenty of people in jobs that require more responsibility like doctors and teachers - it works. Not everyone is incentivised by money alone.

Oldie that study separates incomes into quintiles which is not very useful in the UK when there's a big difference within the top 5% itself - separate that out and you'll see the wage gap is far far bigger.

I think it's a reasonable study. Also there are hardly any people at the top anyway so they might as well not be included in most studies.

Hardly any people but they possess a large amount of the wealth so they are a very important part of the information here.

Off topic but Millie we do call schools high schools in England.
and Scotland. I went to one.

Also there are hardly any people at the top anyway

That's the point.

I'd be distraught at not having raised a whining, anti-semitic fuck-up.

natsku
I have seen the issue with small wage gaps. I make that calculation when I work.
Lots of people do. I've known nurses working as HCAs, and teachers working as TAs and doing so because it's just not worth the extra effort for the small amount extra. Make the gap smaller, makes it easier to make that jump.
No not everybody is motivated by money - but it is a calculation that people make.

And yet it works here.

Naysku, do your teachers have reasonable working hours, decent levels of job satisfaction and an environment in which there is respect for their profession?

Fine go and think for yourself

Yes they do, Britain ought to learn from that too - you get more and better teachers if you treat them well and respect them.

Actually, just looking at the averages for nurses and care assistants I found that care assistants earnt a higher percentage of a nurses salary in the uk than Finland.

Nursing is a career that has not been paid well enough here sadly, care assistants even less, I guess their unions haven't been as strong (pay is set by the individual unions here so a stronger union negotiates a better pay) which is causing problems although immigrants are filling the jobs as they can but of course takes longer as they need to learn the language first which is hard.