How would you feel if your 16 year old DS wanted to become a 'young conservative'

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That is all!
Opinions please.

"I don't see the Tories offering that."

Really? You said yourself that they support your lifestyle and child because you can't by yourself.

We need people to empty bins, staff our shops, mind our children and clean our schools. We need dinner ladies and hairdressers and street sweepers. And those people deserve a decent standard of living. Of course, they shouldn't have the same standard as a surgeon or banker etc but they should be able to pay their bills, keep a roof over their head and not panic when they're kids come home declaring that need new shoes and plan a little holiday every couple of years or so

Truth spoken.

babySchmaby - If you find me a childcare option for a mentally unstable teenager who refuses help and self harms if left alone for too long, I'll go back to work in my previous job where I earned enough to not be entitled to tax credits, how about that?

The Tories have froze tax credits, brought in Universal Credit (which is a shambles), shat all over the disabled, sold off what little state housing we had left, slashed housing benefit and are decimating the education and health system. So, no, I don't see them striving to give everyone a fair standard of living.

Proud, that they are taking an interest in something that can alter the course of their future & the futures of everyone in this country. More young people should get into politics.

I think the problem is when the handout to get a fair standard of living become similar to those on lower incomes.
Labour sometimes have created dependency whilst trying to help.

For example the economic argument in a family often determines whether the woman works or not. Raising those without work up inevitably creates a pinch point where it's more financially viable to leave work than stay.
Long term it's better to stay in work...but difficult to do so if it's more lucrative to stay at home.

But Head, the handouts ARE going to people on lower incomes. Teaching assistants, nursery workers, retail and hospitality workers, care workers, factory workers all rely on benefits because their jobs don't pay enough to live on.

Broom

They need to get better paying jobs then. Get some qualifications and experience. Easy.

"They need to get better paying jobs then. Get some qualifications and experience. Easy."

I'm assuming that you're a left wing mole trying to discredit the Tories so I'm not rising.

Pie and then who will do those jobs?! If teaching assistants, nursery workers, retail assistant etc all got better paying jobs, you still need people to fill the now vacant positions! And it's so fucking easy to study and get better qualifications when you're living in almost poverty isn't it?

They need to get better paying jobs then. Get some qualifications and experience. Easy.

You're quite funny.

They need to get better paying jobs then. Get some qualifications and experience. Easy

Oh, gosh, I'd never thought of that before. What a cracking solution. I'd best get in and get my qualification before all the workers at the printers which print the exam sheets get their better jobs...

Well look its true. People dont become surgeons, lawyers or accountants by walking out of high school with nothing to show for it.

If you work hard in school. You can get very far.

So, when we all get better jobs, are we going to start importing bin men and teaching assistants?

But then, if we did that, would they not deserve a decent standard of living too?

Maybe we could all take turns? The brain surgeons could man the bin trucks while the CEO's care for the elderly and then the week after, the bankers and the pharmacists can have a turn.

Life is not fair so stop trying to make it fair.

Make the most of the situation youre in. If you can't hack A levels and a degree, then unfortunately you'll have to stay stuck in a low wage job.

Want money? Then better your situation.

People need to take personal responsibility. Some people are not born with the intelligence. Deal with it.

If PieOnEar is genuine then she illusrptrates perfectly why I would be disappointed if my ds became a Conservative.

Pie - clearly US? we don't call it high school here. No, you don't get to be a lawyer, surgeon or accountant if you don't study hard. However all those lawyers, surgeons and doctors need nurses and teachers (hard study - won't earn as much) and students who don't necessarily have the wherewithal to pay for learning however many jobs they do while studying. And we all need the receptionists, secretaries, IT workers, lorry drivers, field workers, farmers etc etc - to say nothing of the police, firefighters, civil servants. The fact they don't get paid as much doesn't mean they're not worth as much as the lawyer/surgeon/accountant.

You've gone off track as have I. The question the OP was asking was what you would do if your child joined the Conservative Party. The OP could have phrased it better - what would you do if your child joined a party opposed to the one you vote for. My answer as a lot of peoples on here is I'd be proud they were politically engaged beyond just ticking mindless boxes on Facebook. I'd discuss it with them.

And unfortunately when you increase the wages of the lower paid e.g.TAs etc then it becomes much less worthwhile being a teacher....
That seems bananas.

Without someone to keep the operating theatre spotlessly clean, dispose of surgical waste, keep track of the patients' medical records etc, the surgeon would soon be out of a job.

^And unfortunately when you increase the wages of the lower paid e.g.TAs etc then it becomes much less worthwhile being a teacher....
That seems bananas^

Then you pay teachers more. It's not a race to the bottom. Every single working person in the UK deserves to be able to pay their bills, have secure (safe and dry) housing, enough food and a small number of luxuries. At the moment, that is not happening.

Every single non-working person in the UK deserves food, shelter and security. That also is not happening.

And every single disabled person or carer deserves dignity and respect along with all the other necessities and some luxuries. Which is also not happening.

Where does the money come from to make all this happen? Those who can afford to pay more, should be made to pay more. Tax avoidance and evasion by big business needs addressing. Tesco etc should not be allowed to get away with paying their staff so little that the government has to top up their wages. Smaller business should have more leeway but at the end of the day, if you can't pay your staff a genuine, living wage, your business is not viable.

A lot of you are saying that you would be proud of your 16 year old was politically engaged enough to join a political party. Does that mean that they aren't?

Want money? Then better your situation. ...
People need to take personal responsibility.

How very Ayn Rand. Let us hope that you don't, unlike her, end your days reliant on social security payments, having found out the hard way that it's easy to spout self sufficiency rubbish until you are the one in need of support.

For capitalism to work, there has to be a pyramid. It relies on having majority of poor people. There is no intention by the Tories, to improve lives for the majority. Their whole system would be defunct

If PieOnEar is genuine then she illusrptrates perfectly why I would be disappointed if my ds became a Conservative

Ditto. Clearly either doesn't understand, or simply doesn't care, that society needs people in all different areas of work to function otherwise we'd be pretty fucked.

But I don't think she's genuine. Or maybe she's posting under an assumed name...........

@Megabus

So you disagree with capitalism?

What system would you have it replaced with?