How would you feel if your 16 year old DS wanted to become a 'young conservative'

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I'd wonder how he'd get on with his brother who's the treasurer of his university Marxist society!

I used bereft. It does not only refer to bereavement, they simply have a common root. It means deprived of something. (Thanks post-war social policy for my chance of a decent education!)

I would be deprived of the certainty that I had raised a decent human being.

I wouldn't always have said that in this context. But if my child wanted to join this Tory party - I'd consider that a failure on my part. They are total cunts and fascists.

This thread proves one thing to me, the majority of the left are idiots.

That's exactly what my son did.

Complete opposite political views to me.

I think he did it to rebel.

He's 19 now and much less interested in politics.

Yoko tell your dc about corbyn supporters throwing bricks through leadership challengers windows in a kind show of generosity. Show them Mcdonalds rallies encouraging rising up against elected governments and over throwing it. Show them the hard lefts work in calais encouraging vulnerable people to riot. Cross reference this back with stalin et all and teach them about the useful idiots and finish with the perfect emblem of the hard left, the wolf in sheep's clothing.

"In this family above all else independence of thought is prized above thrusting our ideas on our dc by debating them into a particular view point"

How do you think this brainwashing happens? Have you ever tried to get a 16 year old to do something they don't want to?

And, out of interest, do you never share your political views with your children? Because your dinner time conversations must be incredibly dull if you remain strictly impartial throughout!

I'd be amazed that any young person can support the conservatives given their record with brexit, housing and uni fees.

Also, there is something slightly wierd about the whole 'cult of Jacob Rees mogg' that I would find pretty uncomfortable in a child of mine, but I would wait until we can have a giggle about it a few years down the line.

bornfree what on Earth has any of that got to do with voting Tory?

I am not a Corbyn fan. I don’t like the ‘hard left’. I also hate the Tories. What else have you got?

@BertrandRussel

"the "xxx" posts were obviously tongue in cheek!" seem to be getting a little tired. The boy calling wolf springs to mind.

spike left wing media? You have got to be pulling my leg.

I’m a teacher, and I try to do so with warmth and compassion. If those values are at odds with Conservative values, that’s got nothing to do with me and everything to do with the current state of the Tories.

Not everyone talks politics

For many people politics just isn't spoken about it doesn't mean they don't have an opinion on what is happening in the world but they keep who they politically support private

I really despise the moral superiority that comes from so many on the left as much as I despise those on the right who spoit crap about poverty being a choice

Our conversation Is not dull. Brainwashing is when you set a line for children to follow and make them feel ashamed or like they are bad if the don't follow it. So for the left, for some reason they see themselves as the last bastions of kindness. Recent history shows us that is far from the truth.

Brainwashing would be to put your dc in a emotional corner that to be bad is to be conservative. How do they get brain washed? Like religion they are taught early, usually, only hear one side of things, usually a superior side, and develop a so called moral basis on one sided diatribe that's supposedly superior. It makes them feel good.. Special, kind and superior. I find with the left like religion it's passed down from generation to generation.

In my family I have seen this close up, some of them would never ever vote Conservative. They pride themselves on being left. It's a religion to them to pass onto their children. Brain wash from early age.
Are they actually kind, clever? Are they kinder in life than the other members of the family?
Are they fuck.

Oh dear! There we have the kind teacher whose values are at odds with the kind left.
I pray your not a history or English teacher.

Values at odds with the nasty right

As I see it often the parties want similar outcomes but disagree on the path.

Policies are not an exact science. We don't always get what we intend.
And as such that's the interesting bit - discussing ideas rather than party politics.
Many policies don't quite turn out as hoped.

Headofthehive55

I totally agree

I'm afraid I have to stand by the view that to use the word bereft in this context suggests you either have no understanding of the concept, no sense of proportion, or are just plain silly. And yes it does insult those who have suffered genuine loss, as I'm sure you'd be quick to point out if one of your political opponents sought to cheapen language in a similar way.

Yes, the parties want similar outcomes. Most are well meaning. I do think it's a shame my sons voted labour (my daughters Conservatism is easier to accept) but I am glad they have independent views. It's fine. Hopefully they will come to the one true path as they get older. People often do.

I do think there is a problem in the In that too many teachers are left wing. It is not very balanced but hopefully they can keep quiet about their views in school and present both Tory and Labour policies as all good possiblities and let teenagers make their own choices.

Much happier than him being an anti-semitic Momentum supporter

I'd be amazed that any young person can support the conservatives given their record with brexit, housing and uni fees.

You do realise that some young people voted Need It. Not everyone goes to uni.

Your mind will completely be blown when you find out that there are teachers, drs, nurses, police and fire fighters that vote Tory too.

Well quite. It's perfectly clear which the real nasty party is in this country now, and it's not poor old Teresa's mob.

Most Labour supporters (and Tory supporters) are not anti semitic in the UK. We are a pretty tolerant country on both left and right.

On the whole the party in the centre ground (May is far too central for me) wins the elections. Blair and May both knew that. So I will be interested to see what happens when we next have a general election.

We have the fullest employment since 1975. However we have had very few pay rises other than the rather large minimum wage rise so it's certainly not a rosy picture, not with all the debts Labour left us with the cupboard left bare after the spend spend spend years.

There was an incredible increase in public sector pay levels during the previous Labour govt whereby they exceeded most of those in the private sector. The public sector needs the private sector to fund their employment benefits and most employed in the private sector do not enjoy the multi-millions of pounds that very few earn. A few do, but then more than a few public sector employees earn more than our Prime Minister.

The pay caps on public sector pay may seem harsh but compared to the millions of people privately employed with little or no employment benefits, most public sector employees do very well.

I certainly don't think that care and compassion are the monopoly of public sector workers - the teacher, the nurse and the civil servant were/are the meanest and nastiest members of my family and do little for anyone outside of their jobs. They can hardly show compassion for the people they are paid to help, yet complain about how little we as a society care for them.

Yet they stay in their jobs, progressing pay increment by pay increment, pension contributions added to greatly by the great 'unwashed', so why don't they leave? Because they have so little work ethic and any intelligence they might have understands that they just couldn't really cut it in the real world.

Like they have been very much misled regarding the ethos of the Conservative party or that they are lacking in empathy and human kindness.