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Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued

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PerkingFaintly · 29/09/2017 23:52

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3035639-Is-he-Right-Left-or-is-He-Nothing-at-All-Trump-thread-continued?pg=1

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cozietoesie · 05/10/2017 16:33

I hear what the NYT said but I still think that the Mercers are hedging their bets a tad.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/10/2017 16:48

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!

[because it would be profoundly undemocratic to have a president demand that unfavourable news stories (that have no evidence of being false) investigated and so should and could not happen, I hear you say? Sadly not]

Burr on Trump tweet: Panel will hold media 'accountable' on Russia

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/05/politics/richard-burr-senate-russia-investigation-news-organizations/index.html

cozietoesie · 05/10/2017 18:40

Fair enough. Smile

cozietoesie · 05/10/2017 18:41

Sorry. In terms of what was actually said. Wink

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 05/10/2017 19:12

Russian gov't hackers exploited Kaspersky to steal highly-classified info from an NSA contractor.

The breach, considered the most serious in years, could enable Russia to evade NSA surveillance and more easily infiltrate U.S. networks

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russian-hackers-stole-nsa-data-on-u-s-cyber-defense-1507222108

cozietoesie · 05/10/2017 21:25

Do we know when this alleged breach occurred?

lionheart · 05/10/2017 21:29

Here is more swamp coupled with cyber insecurity.

www.politico.com/story/2017/10/03/equifax-irs-fraud-protection-contract-243419

Plus, Monopoly man who turns out to be a woman, at the hearing.

Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued
lionheart · 05/10/2017 21:31

Small mercies.

Caroline O.‏
@RVAwonk

#BREAKING: Tim Murphy (the anti-choice Republican who urged his mistress to have an abortion) will resign effective Oct 21, per Paul Ryan.

TheClaws · 05/10/2017 22:22

Seems like Puerto Rico will need to pay back that debt after all, even after Trump told them not to worry about it.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/354087-white-house-rules-out-forgiving-puerto-rican-debt

lionheart · 05/10/2017 22:28

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(THREAD) The single most important fact in the Trump-Russia investigation is a never-discussed one. This thread discusses it. Please share.

Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson Oct 4

1/ Investigators are now trying to determine exactly when every member of the Trump campaign found out Russia was working to elect Trump.

2/ These dates are of legal importance because they establish a "mens rea" (mental state) for possible crimes committed by Trump and others.

3/ Once Trump, his family, and/or his campaign aides knew Russia was committing crimes to assist Trump, certain actions became prohibited.

4/ For instance, once Trump had this knowledge, he could not publicly deny it without running afoul of federal Aiding and Abetting statutes.

5/ For instance, once Don Jr. had this knowledge he couldn't take any action in furtherance of a plan to benefit from Russia's illegal acts.

6/ Knowledge of Russian illegalities—even broadly—is a necessary precursor to what we colloquially call "collusion" (not a legal term here).

7/ This is why all of Trump's most audacious lies—and his family's, and his aides'—center on their knowledge of what Russia was doing.

8/ Paul Manafort's excuse for not knowing Russia was working to elect Trump? (a) he didn't check his email; (b) he was looking at his phone.

9/ Jared Kushner's excuse for not knowing Russia was working to elect Trump? (a) he left a big meeting early; (b) he didn't check his email.

10/ What do the Trump aides who changed the GOP platform last July say in response to charges they were executing a quid pro quo for Russia?

11/ They say (a) they were executing orders Trump gave March 31, 2016; (b) but don't blame Trump, because he didn't know what we were doing.

12/ What's Trump's excuse as to Russia working to elect him—after admitting he knew and then getting briefed on it on August 17, 2016?

13/ Why, he just didn't believe what U.S. intel agencies said, of course! He just didn't believe the mountains of evidence we all saw!

14/ Now ask yourself: does Bob Mueller believe any of these lies? Does the FBI? Does the DOJ? Do American voters? Would a duly-seated jury?

15/ FACT: Don was directly told by a trusted friend that Putin was working to elect his dad. He knew this as of the first week of June 2016.

16/ Now consider: despite the way the Russia issue blew up after June 2016, Don says he never told his dad Putin was working to elect him.

17/ Don, Jared, and Manafort say they never discussed the issue again—with anyone—and deliberately plotted to keep this info from Trump.

18/ Do you believe that? Do you think Mueller does? Or the FBI? The DOJ? Most American voters? Most American Congressmen? Future jurors?

19/ You think Don sat there watching Russia news every single day for months, yet never told daddy Putin was confirmed as "in his corner"?

20/ Do you believe that—once the Russia news broke shortly after June 2016—
Kushner and Manafort never went back to look at their emails?

21/ Do you think Kushner and Manafort were—start to finish—in the dark about who Veselnitskaya was, who she worked for, and what she wanted?

22/ Do you believe none of the Russia news between June 2016 and this summer caused Kushner or Manafort to reflect back on that meeting?

23/ Why did Trump witness-tamper with his son—exposing himself/Don to prison—with false statements on the meeting? Why? Knowledge matters.

24/ This explains fantastical tales of phone-checking/email-ignoring at the exact moments knowledge—legally speaking—could be established.

25/ This explains Trump's increasingly grotesque and deranged denials of reality on Russian interference: if he says otherwise, knowledge.

26/ This is why the news that Don and Ivanka were about to be charged with felony fraud matters. It goes to their honesty—which is now key.

27/ Don/Ivanka repeatedly lied to consumers about how many Trump SoHo units had sold. So do you think they'd lie to save dad's presidency?

28/ And this is why every single lie Trump tells is legally relevant on the question of his reputation/propensity for honesty versus deceit.

29/ Trump admitted Russia was helping—then was briefed on it—then reversed course and said otherwise when he saw the danger of an admission.

30/ But his reputation for deceit—it's legendary—would prompt an investigator or juror to presume his initial briefing sealed his knowledge.

31/ The danger now is non-attorney journalists confusing evidence of Aiding and Abetting with "evidence of a cover-up." They're different.

32/ There's evidence of a cover-up—Mueller could get Trump on Obstruction with a jury right now—but also Aiding and Abetting a Russian plot.

33/ The evidence of a cover-up overlaps in many particulars with the evidence Trump and his team knew Russia was interfering, then aided it.

34/ For instance, it isn't legal for Trump to learn on August 17th, 2016 that Russia was committing crimes against the U.S., and then...

35/ ...send his chief foreign policy aide—Sessions—to negotiate unilateral sanctions-lifting with Russia's ambassador three weeks later.

36/ So let's stop talking collusion—a vague and meaningless term in this legal scenario—and instead discuss "knowledge of illegal activity."

37/ Don, Jared, and Manafort were on legal notice that Russia was illegally stealing information from June 9, 2016 onward—at the latest.

38/ So no, Don wasn't entitled to take that meeting—given what he'd been told. And Manafort couldn't push a GOP platform change weeks later.

39/ Indeed, arguably, the entire campaign was on notice Russia aimed to secretly negotiate with and aid Trump from March 24, 2016 onward.

40/ On that date, Papadopoulos told seven senior Trump staffers that Putin wanted to meet with Trump—and felt Trump could improve relations.

41/ On that basis, any subsequent revelation that Russia was committing crimes should've been read by the campaign as a pro-Trump proffer.

42/ Note that, in this analysis, I'm approaching this as a former criminal attorney and former criminal investigator—we do think this way.

43/ The media can't—it feels—call Trump a liar when he lies to (dis)establish his legal knowledge. But as an attorney, I see it differently.

44/ But as we enter the intermediate stages of the Mueller probe, we all must be thinking in legal terms—as we're in the legal sphere now.

45/ So if you want to talk Russia on social media, I'd suggest focusing on the date each actor had knowledge of Russia's illegal acts. {end}

TheClaws · 05/10/2017 22:39

Pain That last tweet about fake news does my head in. We have discussed this a little bit before, but Trump really does not understand the definition of ‘fake’ as it applies to news. I have a Communications degree so allow me to take you all to school to a moment!

Cat speaks English - FAKE NEWS (something that didn’t happen)
Cats around the world hate Trump - Opinion piece, NOT fake news
Trump visits cat shelter, donates - NOT fake news
Trump ignores dogs; cuts dog foundation dollars - FAKE news

Grrr.

lionheart · 05/10/2017 22:52
Grin

Except the part where he donates to the cats does not sound like his M.O.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/10/2017 23:05

Evac orders already being issued for parts of #Louisiana

Tropical Storm #Nate has formed with a notable westward forecast shift since yesterday. Check the latest forecast: hurricanes.gov
twitter.com/nhc_atlantic/status/915909618747965440

thedcbrokemybank · 05/10/2017 23:23

Winter Texan
Winter Texan @damian_godden
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17m
Replying to @RVAwonk and @politico
Caroline, have you seen/heard the rumor that John Kelly has resigned but WH is holding it for Friday release?

Seen this a few times on Twitter tonight.

TheClaws · 05/10/2017 23:27

CNN Politics‏Verified account @CNNPolitics 18m18 minutes ago
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BREAKING: Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team met with Christopher Steele, author of the Russia dossier cnn.it/2y4n9dx

TheClaws · 05/10/2017 23:29

Well, Northwest, they could be fictional dollars to get them on his side. Of course, cats are smarter than that Grin

badbadhusky · 05/10/2017 23:48

Just saw President Kiefer employ a super feisty, constitution-guarding female lawyer to White Counsel in this week's Designated Survivor and realised with a sinking heart that'd never happen in Trump's WH. First of all, she's female; secondly she's too principled and third, she wants to uphold the constitution. Trump's all about the corrupt, racist, mediocre assholes in his administration.

badbadhusky · 05/10/2017 23:49

White House Counsel. I am not advocating a white supremacist take on WH staffing.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 06:46

Not to defile your lovely cat analogy claws but if we were going to trumpify it, we are fast approaching the point where:

“Even though I said ‘grab em by the pussy’ on a recording device which clearly and undeniably shows it was me that said it - FAKE NEWS”

Brilliant news about mueller and Steele - he can now hopefully track down the original sources (if putin hasn’t got to them first and I do mean defenestration this time ) and find potential evidence of
Criminal wrongdoing as just Steele saying people had told him these things wouldn’t be enough for mueller’s investigation.

Im not sure what’s going on here after senator burr said “they’d hit a wall” with Steele:

Maddow Blog
Maddow Blog @MaddowBlog
BREAKING: Associate of Steele tells #Maddow that Steele said yes to Senate Intel meeting request

t.co/ximhwCbfxq?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 06:55

bad you might not be advocating that but sadly it looks like that’s what happened

It’s quite a sickening (and long) read but worth it to understand the interplay between the mercers/bannon/Nazis/general population

Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The Mainstream

A cache of documents obtained by BuzzFeed News reveals the truth about Steve Bannon’s alt-right “killing machine.”

www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism?utm_term=.stobG1EWq#.bkNP1wJOv

[...]These new emails and documents, however, clearly show that Breitbart does more than tolerate the most hate-filled, racist voices of the alt-right. It thrives on them, fueling and being fueled by some of the most toxic beliefs on the political spectrum — and clearing the way for them to enter the American mainstream.

[...]These documents chart the Breitbart alt-right universe. They reveal how the website — and, in particular, Yiannopoulos — links the Mercer family, the billionaires who fund Breitbart, to underpaid trolls who fill it with provocative content, and to extremists striving to create a white ethnostate.

They capture what Bannon calls his “killing machine” in action, as it dredges up the resentments of people around the world, sifts through these grievances for ideas and content, and propels them from the unsavory parts of the internet up to TrumpWorld, collecting advertisers’ checks all along the way.

And the cache of emails — some of the most newsworthy of which BuzzFeed News is now making public — expose the extent to which this machine depended on Yiannopoulos, who channeled voices both inside and outside the establishment into a clear narrative about the threat liberal discourse posed to America. The emails tell the story of Steve Bannon’s grand plan for Yiannopoulos, whom the Breitbart executive chairman transformed from a charismatic young editor into a conservative media star capable of magnetizing a new generation of reactionary anger.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 07:00

Tune in to next week’s episode of “fuck, is this really real life now” to find out what happens

Kyle Griffin
Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
TRUMP: "Maybe it's the calm before the storm."
...
REPORTER: "What storm Mr. President?"
TRUMP: "You'll find out

mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/916089355281862656/video/1

SPOILER ALERT

Washington Post
Washington Post @washingtonpost
Trump to announce that he'll 'decertify' Iran nuclear deal, kicking issue to a reluctant Congress

t.co/fVgXkfA2rA?amp=1

Non paywalled link:

amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/06/calm-before-the-storm-trump-set-to-walk-away-from-iran-nuclear-deal

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 07:07

Fourth attempted comeback:

@ASlavitt
1/ I am leaving 4 intense days in DC & now have a very different theory of what's going on in HC. Will tweet soon.

Follow if interested.

2/ GOP is now trying to create what I call "synthetic repeal."

Before I explain what that means let me tell you why this is happening.

3/ GOP has 7 years of promises and a lot of fundraising to pay back. Moore's win in AL punctuates the point that the R base is very unhappy.

4/ GOP needs to compete in primaries & fundraise. Make no mistake that is a 2018 reality weighing on them.

5/Three strategic choices:
a- say repeal failed & move on
b- promise to try again next yr
c- "synthetic repeal"

First step is "c".

6/ Synthetic repeal allows them 2 say: sure, we didn't repeal the ACA because of RINO holdouts, but before long it will be effectively done.

7/ Synthetic repeal goes after ALL the big cahuanas: huge Medicaid cuts, pre-ex protections & the mandates. WITHOUT REPLACEMENTS.

8/ CBO would score the synthetic repeal an absolute disaster.

9/ The tools for synthetic repeal are:

  • An Executive Order coming next week
  • The budget/tax plan
  • Sabotage of the ACA (not even denied)

10/ The EO allows "association health plans"-- ability for plans to be offered with no pre-ex protections & turn ACA into a high risk pool

[ rest of the thread here: mobile.twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/916069859066286081 ]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 07:11

Comedic interlude

Owen Ellickson @onlxn
Junior: this is the same DA you bribed to avoid prosecution! Mebbe don’t signal-boost, you adorkable doof?

Hello Don, got a new tax cut? Trump continued
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 07:20

Facebook Cut Russia Out of April Report on Election Influence

The drafting of the report sparked internal debate over how much information to disclose about Russian influence campaigns on the social network

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/facebook-cut-russia-out-of-april-report-on-election-influence-1507253503

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 06/10/2017 07:28

FEMA abruptly removes stats about Puerto Rico's drinking water and electricity, keeps stats showing positive signs

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/05/fema-removes-statistics-about-drinking-water-access-and-electricity-in-puerto-rico-from-website/

As of Wednesday, half of Puerto Ricans had access to drinking water and 5 percent of the island had electricity, according to statistics published by the Federal Emergency Management Agency on its Web page documenting the federal response to Hurricane Maria.

By Thursday morning, both of those key metrics were no longer on the Web page.

FEMA spokesman William Booher noted that both measures are still being reported on a website maintained by the office of Puerto Rican Gov. Ricardo Rosselló, www.status.pr. According to that website, which is in Spanish, 9.2 percent of the island now has power and 54.2 percent of residents have access to drinking water. Booher said that these measures are also shared in news conferences and media calls that happen twice a day, but he didn't elaborate on why they are no longer on the main FEMA page.

“Our mission is to support the governor and his response priorities through the unified command structure to help Puerto Ricans recover and return to routines. Information on the stats you are specifically looking for are readily available” on the website maintained by the governor's office, Booher said.

[...]

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